GeerJonezzz

GeerJonezzz t1_ja8ct07 wrote

Well, sure, thanks for reading and engaging.

I just don’t want to come off like some laissez faire government, free speech absolutist kind of guy. It’s just the internet is a hard place to secure so I think people are quick to assume you can just sort of lockdown these spaces and there would be no problems or drawbacks.

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GeerJonezzz t1_ja7y4ur wrote

No, actually, my only suggestion would be better moderation with improved AI and algorithms, and changing aspects or features of these platforms to make work easier for moderation teams. And of course, much more transparency. All in all, it’s a big ask but more reasonable as it flows with the natural optimization and improvement of automatic features.

Trying to get rid of bad actors online is no different than trying to eliminate all crime. Twitter, FB, Instagram, has more people than any city in the world many times over.

The fact is, unwanted people and content will always exist. As people, in a social and cultural sense, our focus should be to educate people on how to navigate the internet and social media. How to protect ourselves and how to interact with extreme content either illicit or ideological instead of wanting to limit and control everything that goes on.

There are arguments for having the government be more responsible in alleviating moderation duties from these companies on these websites- which I’m not opposed to but I’m not familiar with the pro’s and con’s of it to discuss it.

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GeerJonezzz t1_ja7ru18 wrote

They don’t know if these people are actually ISIS members or just ISIS affiliates/supporters. The argument is that people who promote terrorist shit are effectively terrorists themselves. So it doesn’t automatically mean they would be any general or officer on the ground within the organization and not would it matter because the message being spread is all the same…

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GeerJonezzz t1_ja62ref wrote

I stopped reading at the “Those are the people from ISIS I’d want to stop, people who actually work for them”.

My brother in Christ have you ever heard of a VPN?

How can you tell the difference between some random ISIS shitter from Iowa vs. random Muslim villagers with IPhone 11’s on untraceable networks? They’re not gonna be hosting livestreams and giving out their IP’s…

You don’t actually think places like Twitter and Facebook allow ISIS or terrorists to post if actually verified and reported, do you?

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GeerJonezzz t1_ja61117 wrote

This case is bullshit, my problem with Twitter is how Elon selectively moderates the platform to satiate his ego. You can’t reasonably stop or perfectly moderate groups like ISIS or ISIS-adjacent organizations that can slip by and say whatever dumb shit to say, and you can’t stop people searching for said groups. Like, you can’t rid Facebook or Snapchat of all CP… you can’t stop all people from seeking or even stumbling upon that content.

Millions of people make accounts everyday with fake names, emails, details and post stuff without verification. Some literally make accounts that last minutes just to DM some sick or stupid shit to as many people as possible or get something trending.

It’s like trying to stop all crime… just can’t do it, or at least can’t do it without flipping society upside down.

You can ask for better, or new forms of moderation but that’s really it.

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GeerJonezzz t1_ja60bu9 wrote

People who search, promote, like, follow, things relating to ISIS are going to be exposed to more ISIS things.

You watch dog and cat videos in YT search engine, eventually you’ll start seeing cats and dogs, and probably a mix of some other animals like rabbits or squirrels on your homepage and more often on the side bar. That’s how these algorithms work.

Unless you can prove said algorithms purposefully promote things like ISIS to people who do not search for these things then there should be no issue.

You can watch this video about, well, pretty much the same case involving YT, alleging that there algorithms promote harmful ideologies:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzNo5lZCq5M

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