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JPR_FI t1_jdz2g59 wrote
Reply to comment by Zekrom16 in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
What is the use of supreme court of 34 people if the rest of the system does not function properly ? They cannot take all the cases and the ones they do take a long time to process. Even currently the system is abused and used for harassment. For examples see the report from Amnesty or any other human rights organization of your preference.
All the organizations report slide since 2014 and as I said I hope to see it improve, but yet seen no evidence of that.
JPR_FI t1_jdyz7fn wrote
Reply to comment by Zekrom16 in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
Given that the justice system is already used to harass human rights activists, journalists and opposition you cannot rely on supreme court alone to do the right thing.
I do hope India reverses the slow slide, but nothing I see in the reports from the various organizations suggests that rather the opposite. If the fundamentals of democratic values are not there then its democratic in name only.
JPR_FI t1_jdwltfm wrote
Reply to comment by Zekrom16 in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
I really don't; over the decades Russia lost freedom of press, concentrated power, has plenty of human rights violations and corruption while claiming to be some sort of democracy. While that is not the case in India at the moment some of the similar things can be observed. If the issues persist and worsen what is there to stop it so that in 20+ years its not all gone ?
JPR_FI t1_jdwjokb wrote
Reply to comment by Zekrom16 in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
Of course they do, but not relevant for discussion about Indian democracy. Or how does the problems in US or anywhere else justify anything ? Human rights are universal an inalienable feel free to criticize any violations anywhere, just do not use them as excuse.
Again the comparison is not that India is anywhere near Russian level, that is not the point, never was. The point is that Russia is an example what can happen in worst case scenario when democratic values are ignored. It does not happen suddenly rather over time.
This is not unique to India either, its happening in all over the globe in various degree and that is why it is important to fight it everywhere. Staying silent and ignoring the issues will not fix anything it will just make the situation worse.
JPR_FI t1_jdwei2s wrote
Reply to comment by Zekrom16 in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
There we are agreement I am really struggling to understand why human rights and freedom of press etc. are "small threats" instead of the foundation for democracy. To me when they are abused democracy is under threat and I cannot fathom why anyone would think otherwise. What is a democracy where freedom of press is non-existent and violations of human rights are abundant ?
JPR_FI t1_jdwb156 wrote
Reply to comment by Zekrom16 in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
So we are going to just ignore the "small threats" part ? Nice.
Who is saying that India is going to collapse rapidly, not me for sure. Russia is authoritarian but there was glint of democracy sometime late 90s, took them 20+ years to descend to what it is now. India by no means is there yet, but Russia is a cautionary tale what can happen when the democratic values are ignored. The war in Ukraine did not make Russia authoritarian rather the exact opposite, because of it Putin was able to start the invasion.
Again you cannot have stable democracy with the human rights and freedom of press violated, that is also part of the reason why EIU lists India also as flawed democracy.
JPR_FI t1_jdw5hkf wrote
Reply to comment by Zekrom16 in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
Seriously; small threats ? Small things like freedom of press (150/180) and flagrant violations of human rights reported by all organizations ? These are major things that democracy cannot survive with indefinitely as seen in Russia recently. Democracy is more than free elections one has to also abide by democratic values.
JPR_FI t1_jdw0dwd wrote
Reply to comment by Zekrom16 in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
There you go again trying to invalidate V-Dem. Again the different indexes measure different things so they have variation. You can find the details in wiki for EIU which uses 60 indicators and the V-Dem uses 470 indicators so obviously there would be differences. It is not to say that more is always better but it is more granular and takes into account more things.
V-dem is used and trusted by numerous organizations so I will use that, feel free to use EIU if you think its better. I do hope India can reverse its path, but while democratic values like human rights and freedom of press are threatened it is not likely.
JPR_FI t1_jdvs1ra wrote
Reply to comment by Zekrom16 in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
So the democratic values are not under threat ? You may want to let the various organizations know, they are reporting the opposite.
Again (like I have explained to you multiple times) the indexes measure different things. All of them do agree that democratic values are under threat in India. V-Dem is open data set and trusted by numerous organizations such as world bank. At least this time you did not misrepresent the data in effort to invalidate it so I guess that is progress.
JPR_FI t1_jdu7uat wrote
Reply to comment by makmeyours in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
Alas there is no indication of reversal, if anything the opposite. In V-dem index they are already 107/179 and trending downwards. Democratic values like human rights and freedom of press etc. are all under threat.
JPR_FI t1_jdlgdte wrote
Reply to comment by LittleStar854 in Sweden’s criticism of Hungary’s democratic decline is behind PM Orban’s delay in ratifying the Nordic country’s bid to join NATO, according to a senior Hungarian official by green_flash
Unlikely, but if Finland joins it becomes moot as Sweden is buffered by Finland.
JPR_FI t1_jacb57x wrote
Reply to comment by HelpfulYoghurt in Kremlin: Russia open to Ukraine talks, but won't give up annexed regions by jacobhong
Sure; point I was trying to make (and failed) is that until they are completely out there is nothing to even discuss.
JPR_FI t1_jac1k8q wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Kremlin: Russia open to Ukraine talks, but won't give up annexed regions by jacobhong
The only compromise on the table is Russia getting out of whole Ukraine (Including Crimea and eastern parts) and maybe sanctions / relations with Russia can be normalized in in a decade.
JPR_FI OP t1_jac1814 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in MOT: Oligarch Rotenberg violated EU sanction rules by not declaring assets in Finland by JPR_FI
JPR_FI t1_j5paoeh wrote
Reply to comment by Out_and_about_home in JNU Snaps Electricity, Internet To Stop Screening Of BBC Documentary On PM Modi by stepover7
Magnitudes more effort than your response for sure. Belittling others invalidates anything your are trying to say.
JPR_FI t1_j20fic3 wrote
Reply to comment by imafraidofmuricans in Finland gets floating LNG terminal to replace Russian gas by AmethystOrator
Ah; OK mea culpa.
JPR_FI t1_j1zzyna wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Finland gets floating LNG terminal to replace Russian gas by AmethystOrator
Second allegory with bicycle and train, must be some new script from the troll factory. Don't worry, the floating terminal will serve Finlands needs just fine.
JPR_FI t1_j1zzphv wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Finland gets floating LNG terminal to replace Russian gas by AmethystOrator
Russia failed miserably with their extortion with energy and like Finland most of EU will cut the dependency leaving Russia without their wealthiest customer with pipelines. The floating terminal will serve needs of Finland just fine no need for you to worry.
JPR_FI t1_iucua2w wrote
Reply to comment by CRimson9943 in U.S. partnering with India to enable it play 'broader stabilising role' in Indo-Pacific: senior Pentagon official by Gopu_17
I have no idea what the case even is ? Point was just that opinion do matter and even with its flaws Reddit reflects some aspect of them.
JPR_FI t1_iuctor1 wrote
Reply to comment by CRimson9943 in U.S. partnering with India to enable it play 'broader stabilising role' in Indo-Pacific: senior Pentagon official by Gopu_17
I have no idea whether it is or not; it certainly is not the venue where the decisions are made. But given that in some cases the content reflects the populists rhetoric it may very well reflect it at least in some cases.
JPR_FI t1_jdz4br9 wrote
Reply to comment by Zekrom16 in Japan’s Daikin targets India as air-con and heat-pump manufacturing hub by Falls_stuff
And yet all the reports state that situation has gotten worse since 2014, hence its a trend. I'll leave you with quote of a former president:
>The beginning of all wisdom is acknowledgement of facts