Definitely talking about Proxy Authentication Required. No idea why you thought I was talking about S2 there lmfao

Nah, you shouldn't watch it. Show is too high brow for you.

First off, no you haven't. At least not from people who actually care about good television.

Secondly, you could just as easily have searched this on google and found other reddit posts where people have asked the exact same thing about this show and gotten your answers from there. Which it seems like you've already done if you've kept hearing it's one of the best. Because people around the water cooler are definitely not talking about it anymore considering it ended like 4 years ago. So I'm not sure why you felt you needed to ask the same damn question yourself on your own post where it sounds like you already had your answer from the masses.

Maybe I'm misremembering here, but I'm pretty sure it only seriously retcons one thing and that one thing is possibly the greatest twist in the history of television. Mainly because it's something we all should have seen coming and was right in front of our noses the entire time, but nobody actually figured it out. That's the mark of an excellent twist.

"I keep hearing it's one of the best shows ever yet here I am still stupidly asking this question."

FTFY

Season 3 is bonkers good and has one of my favorite back to back episode sections in television history (Season 3 Episode 5 Runtime Error and Season 3 Episode 6 Kill Process, rivals things like S6 Episodes 9 & 10 from Game of Thrones). Season 4 is maybe the best final season to anything ever. Has both my favorite television episode (Season 4 Episode 7 Proxy Authentication Required) and also has one of my favorite series finales in it (Season 4 Episode 13 Hello, Elliot). And I don't even think I'm really the target audience for the show. I honestly think I should have liked it more and it's like 2nd on my list of best things I've ever seen.

For what it's worth, everyone should definitely watch the show one time through for Proxy Authentication Required alone. It's the greatest payoff to something you didn't even know you needed and it was built to throughout flawlessly while being right under your nose the whole time. If you care about IMDB ratings, that episode had a perfect 10 rating for like 6-7 months after it aired.

It's subjective for sure.

Shows are subjective. To me it wasn't. To each their own. We can respectfully agree to disagree there :)

Mr. Robot. I know people think S2 is the weakest, but I honestly enjoyed it a lot more than S1. And then it just got world's better for S3 and S4.

"Only two seasons in"

Lucky you. Season 3 is one of my favorite seasons of anything ever.

My point is Andor and Arcane are nowhere near the same with how you're comparing them.

Your point was not about what general audiences viewed it as. Your two points were, "from a franchise that's either (a) struggling to put out quality consistently or (b) has very low expectations when it comes to long-form storytelling." Those are two COMPLETELY different things. They're not similar in the slightest.

If one struggles to be consistent with the quality of its work but puts out a lot of it, and the other could possibly falter with long term storytelling cuz it's never been given the chance to do it before, how exactly are those two things in any way the same or even similar?

Edit: It would be massive revisionist history if I were talking about general audiences, except for I never was. I said anyone who had followed Riot's work. So not people who just play LoL, but people who actually watched their animated content before Arcane. Their first target audience with the show. Those people should have had a pretty damn good idea with how Arcane was going to turn out. Especially by the time the first trailer for it dropped. Again, as someone who's never played LoL and usually waits for reviews to come in before watching new shows, Arcane's trailer convinced me to get on and watch it the exact moment it came out. Same with Andor in that regard. So maybe they're similar because they both had absolutely banger trailers. But that's about it.

I mean, this is just objectively untrue. Anyone who had been following Riot's work could have probably told you Arcane would be a masterpiece from the get go. Their main game is straight up ass, but EVERYTHING else they do has been quite frankly incredible. I mean just check out any of their animated music videos for all of their bands they have based around LoL characters. It's all top quality stuff. So no, they weren't struggling to put out quality consistently. Far from it. Just nobody other than LoL fans paid attention to any of that. As someone who's never played League, I was blown away when I went back and found the other animated stuff they had released before Arcane. It was clear then that Arcane was always destined to succeed as long as people tuned in for it.

Edit: added some examples of previous work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VTkBuxU4yk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVZpHFXcFJw

The second one specifically shows their level of genius. 8 seconds in you can see the first concept art for Powder. Like two years before anyone even knew who she was supposed to be. Just hidden right there in the background while everyone watching has no clue. Their attention to detail and foreshadowing is honestly crazy.

You hate "weeaboo trash" but know about Chainsaw Man and it's animation?

"There's no doubt it will be a masterpiece."

(X) Doubt

I'd say there is close to a zero percent chance it's as good as Arcane. Probably won't even be in the same realm. Riot is honestly built different. Their main game sucks, but everything else they do is fucking golden.