MichiganRealty

MichiganRealty t1_jboxiia wrote

And I’m saying that while you THINK you may be able to choose your death, however that may be, death is a guarantee for you… that isn’t subject to free will… Your beginning and your end are factually guaranteed, determined outcomes, however or whenever. To suggest the experiential aspect in the middle is free will, is also to suggest that you have a choice in the matter of your beginning and your end - but your death is guaranteed, and a determined outcome - no matter what you THINK you can do about it.

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MichiganRealty t1_jborvub wrote

So you’re making a faith based argument. You don’t know that you didn’t have free will before you were born - and now you don’t, anymore than, you don’t know that you didn’t have free will before you were born - and now you do.

What IS known is one day you were here - however the means. That’s all you can say definitively - that is true. With that foundation, it’s more of a foundation of something based in determination than one’s choice to be here.

The experiential aspect of thinking you’re choosing to be here rather than offing yourself might be free will, but it’s also equally likely to be deterministic.
Did you get to choose to be in a body that gets chronically depressed?

Two things are true, you’re born and you die, and these are determined experiences that you can’t run away from or use free will to avoid. If this beginning and end of one’s life is determined and destined to happen, however and whenever, than it’s seems unreasonable to believe (because it’s a belief) that you’re in control of the experience of life.

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MichiganRealty t1_jboahye wrote

But did you choose to be born? Did you say somewhere in the ether “hey I’d like to be born” and then you were born? If not, than either by fate or design it was determined you’d be here. The foundation of your existence on earth was determined, not chosen.

Free will is the argument people make hoping that it’s the individual that makes evil decisions toward others, not the design of fate itself.

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