Are you terrified that a SMSL C200 for $185 performs as well if not better and offers the same input/output.

I can't decide which to order. Leather has great longevity but may get hot while the suede/velour is more comfortable but wears fast.

I actually like them and don't find anything offensive about their presentation. They sound super spacious for closed back and out the box do bass the way my HD800S does after I add a bass shelf so it solves that problem.

Lets hope when you lean back in your chair they don't lose signal like the Penrose.