If you live in a theocracy the two and indelibly tied together.

Ok, you’re a religious nut. Let’s not bother with this discussion.

Well considering that they weren’t capitalist societies I don’t think those apply.

And also what civilization and what time? India was not India until after the British Raj. The sub-continent had a variety of states.

Egyptian civilization lasted 1000s of years and we don’t see a lot of innovation from them comparatively. They were still using Bronze weapons until the Hitties showed up with Iron.

China did have a lot of innovation but usually when it wasnt a Legalist dynasty in power. All their golden ages came from the least repressive regimes. The Han and Tang dynasties were very open compared to their predecessors.

And the caliphs of the Muslim empires had some of the most open courts in the world. Scholars and Scientist from all over the world went to their courts. Chemistry and Math had their foundations there. The whole reason we have Plato’s and Aristotle’s texts are because they kept the records as well as developed the numerals we use today. That’s not repressive.

You don’t know what your talking about

Uh this is way to broad. And tell me their products from a modern capitalist setting.

I would argue that china manufactures products developed in the west. And then make copies of what the west designs. I can’t really think of products they’ve innovated.

They innovate In process and manufacturing. And again, there is more freedom of thought in China than Saudi Arabia.

Ok, I’m done, you’re an idiot.

Prove me wrong. Where has a repressive state ever made a marketable product?

It ain’t gonna happen. You need to be innovative and to be innovative you need to have freedom of thought.

Saudi Arabia is doomed.