RiddlingTea t1_iy7dze4 wrote on November 29, 2022 at 8:05 AM

Reply to comment by IBAZERKERI in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent

He wasn’t a general at the same time as being a politician though, in contrast to the Japanese, that was more my point.

RiddlingTea t1_iy1ao1e wrote on November 28, 2022 at 12:02 AM

Reply to comment by ATNinja in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent

Yeah. What I mean is holding the position of a general concurrently, as in involved in the military at that present moment. Sorry for the imprecision.

RiddlingTea t1_iy18xfi wrote on November 27, 2022 at 11:49 PM

Reply to comment by Scerus in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent

I mean civilian as in not actively part of the military—Churchill made plenty of decisions regarding war without being a military man.

And my point was more that peace with the US was genuinely desired on good terms. That Tojo deposed Konoe for failure in peace talks implies success was desirable.

RiddlingTea t1_iy14oc4 wrote on November 27, 2022 at 11:18 PM

Reply to comment by kdogg2077 in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent

Tojo only became PM in Oct 41 though. I think the existing civilian administration at this time would have been amenable to peace talks, but the question is how much power the civilian administration had as opposed to the will of the army.