RudeMutant

RudeMutant t1_j638j70 wrote

As tyrant, I believe that executions should be few, far-between, and memorable. I'm sticking with hasty once someone in this situation has been cleared of being framed. The suspected murder of a 4 year old child by means of "exorcism", and other forms of torture, should be punished with something memorable and in close chronological distance to the crime so it's fresh in the minds of the people. Not fresh so that people are afraid, but fresh so that they don't think justice is slow and toothless

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RudeMutant t1_j2a6hue wrote

I used a newfangled calculator, as you didn't directly instruct me to do, and I can apparently run, splice, and dead short an embarrassingly irresponsible amount of current through a $1 plastic box. I just looked up some boxes, outside of your link, and I concede that the rating is no longer applied? WTF. I'm getting old, cranky, and I'm wondering who bribed who... Because back in my day one would get their lunch break disappeared if a run capacity was more than what was LITERALLY on the label for the box (every one had better have been 20 amps per gang or your ass was driving back to the store). What written word is keeping some nutbag from pulling 100 amps through a single gang box? That terrifies me. The only rating I found, in amps, was for a junction box in the UK (pedantically not in Europe), but that isn't for the enclosure it is for the screw terminals that are basically molded in.

At this point it's safe to say that I'm scared for the children, and I'm a cranky old man.

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RudeMutant t1_j29pkuo wrote

No. I'm basically retired. So you avoided not insulting me. I'm under the firm impression that this person is going to do it with or without good advice. Since we don't know the exact box, because they are especially green and they are obviously confusing a junction box with an outlet box, what I suggested is the safest way just as you confirmed. So... Since they are probably pretty set on doing it themselves, they should not be terrified because that makes mistakes, but they shouldn't be overconfident because they won't see mistakes. Can that circuit handle the current as it is? It's close, but it falls under 80% with nothing else drawing current under the written load requirements. Should they call an electrician? Absofukinlutely, but I'll bet cash they won't. Anything I can do to keep someone from getting bit, or worse, is what I am aiming for. The safest way for them to accomplish their goal is to pull a new line. Safety always.

It seems like you have a lot to learn about how a normal person can screw up electrical shit, especially with joining wires. Solid conductors require a lot of married length to get the conductive surface area for the splice to have less resistance (or ampacity? Wtf) than the conductor. So if they are in the US they probably shouldn't be using twist connectors unless they have seen some burnt and melted so they can see how not to use them. A single run will prevent the possibility of messing up a join. Safety always.

10 milliamps is enough to make muscles uncontrollable. 1 amp can easily start a fire. 13 amps is actually a lot of current. You are probably used to dealing with 3 phase panels so it's not a big deal. When Harry the homeowner starts getting the idea about putting 20 amps in a wall, it's best for them to have it in their head that it's a sizable amount, because it is. Safety always.

At the very beginning I stated that I wasn't a journeyman, which if you were worth your salt, you would have put that bit together. So before you start attacking my experience with people who mess up projects and my intelligence, maybe you should have first checked to see if electrical boxes have current ratings... Because they do. Don't be pedantic to bring me down, just to feel smart, or appear more helpful. You should be worried about them. I'm not the one you should be working on. Keep your eyes on the danger. Safety always.

Actually help them if you want to one-up me. Go over. Pull the line. Be done

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RudeMutant t1_j27cmb9 wrote

Replacing a box is a lot harder than adding one. You run the risk of breaking wires because copper doesn't like to be bent a lot. Run a new line to code (drill and staple every stud) and add another box where it would be close to where you want it. If you put the box on the next stud over it should look better than right on top of the old one

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RudeMutant t1_j26xv58 wrote

(not a journeyman) It depends on what you mean by a junction box. If it's just a box in the wall: avoid changing it. Run a new line. Just pull your copper and be done with it and add an outlet. An inspector probably won't notice, but you are going to get shouted at less if the box doesn't look like a hot mess. I also believe that your box has a rating on it, and you can't put more current in it than it's rated for, and that rating should be around 20 amps. If you want to do what I think you want to do, you will exceed my guess of the rating. If you are going to be pulling a ton of current then you should preferably avoid splices if you don't have to use them. Remember to turn off the main power before you open the box. Please don't cook yourself

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