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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j4r4inc wrote

Reply to comment by Picksologic in [OC] Heavy Metal bands in Spanish-speaking countries 路 Jan'2023 by UsandoFXOS

Wooowww, all 3 are wonderful!! 馃ぉ

Maybe the first or the second one are the best for me. But you really were able to include 3 metrics in the same graph... i love it.

I realize now that it would be a good idea to also share my exact NUMBERS used to build a graph. In this case you had saved time getting the values for each country 馃槄

Thanks master! Which software did you used?

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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j4hk9po wrote

Reply to comment by InternationalBand494 in [OC] Heavy Metal bands in Spanish-speaking countries 路 Jan'2023 by UsandoFXOS

https://www.metal-archives.com/lists/AD

  • Among the Mist (Power Metal)
  • De Veneficas Inferi (Black Metal/Ambient)
  • Dilaghran (Black Metal, Dungeon Synth)
  • In Eclipse (Melodic Death/Groove Metal)
  • Nami (Progressive Death Metal)
  • Persefone (Progressive/Melodic Death Metal)

Note: the first one was splitted-up the 5th is "in pause". This directory of metal bands contain all the active and not active bands. 馃槄

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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j4hj5tx wrote

Reply to comment by metalstats in [OC] Heavy Metal bands in Spanish-speaking countries 路 Jan'2023 by UsandoFXOS

Well, being talking about SPANISH-speaking countries, most of them prefer a lot salsa, cumbia, merengue, bachata and other "latin rhytms" than "metal music"... So i am not so sure that there is some kind of correlation between "number of metal bands" with other GDP or financial or even development or cultural variables.

I would say that this data simply show us in which countries there are preference to Heavy Metal, compared with other countries in the "spanish-language cultural sphere". Without any other conclusion or interest. Do you not agree with this statement?

Anyway, u/metalstats is right: is very easy to have quite exact stats about metal bands thanks to the incredible free project of https://www.metal-archives.com/ but it is quite difficult to get the same info regarding other musical genres. At least i don't know where to get it.

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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j4hhsze wrote

Reply to comment by Chimpville in [OC] Heavy Metal bands in Spanish-speaking countries 路 Jan'2023 by UsandoFXOS

Yeahh... good idea! I think that i considered it when deciding how to plot it, but i think that it's not possible in LibreOffice Calc to do a "dot cloud" graph or even a "bubble graph".

This is the reason why i'm learning since a couple of weeks ago to use RStudio 馃槄 ...to be able ASAP to do more "cool" (appropiate?) graphs. Yeah.

But i appreciate your suggestion: "bubble graph" nobody else has suggested.

Certainly 2 bar is not appropiate, i think so, because both metrics are "not comparable": one is "number of bands" the other one is "bands per capita".

Thanks!

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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j4hg82k wrote

Reply to comment by kerver2 in [OC] Heavy Metal bands in Spanish-speaking countries 路 Jan'2023 by UsandoFXOS

I completely agree. The color gradient so contrasted (red-black) is the problem and the challenge. Yeah.

I take note. In the future: the gradients must be quite less contrast. In only was thinking in "dark and blood", hahaha, and for this reason i used this "nice" gradient. But you're right that it put it quite more difficult to choose the plot colors!

Thanks! 馃槉

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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j4hf4eq wrote

Reply to comment by lazyant in [OC] Heavy Metal bands in Spanish-speaking countries 路 Jan'2023 by UsandoFXOS

Yes, i know: Andorra, in fact, is the unique country in the world which official language is catalan, but also spanish and french, obviously because their geographical position. I perfectly know tha country, i lived for 40 years in Barcelona (2h by car) and i've family living there.

But in the daily day, spanish is equally spoken than catalan, and french in a third place. Anyway, i'm quite sure that ALL (100%) Andorra born citizens (not "imported") speak spanish. Nevertheless, nobody remember to include Andorra as an "spanish-speaking" country.

I've not included them for other statistical graphs, specially international rankings because usually i only consider countries with a one million population. But in this case, the relevant metric was "bands per capita", so it had interest to know that although Andorra has just less than 80k citizens, they have 6 metal bands !! only Metal !! This was a great surprise for me... enough to be included here 馃槄

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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j4hdrgd wrote

Reply to [OC] Heavy Metal bands in Spanish-speaking countries 路 Jan'2023 by UsandoFXOS

Hello u/Mental-Ad-40. Good example, the one you put in a comment in this discussion (very very much below, for this reason i put this comment here, above). You remember us that "line graphs" are used not only with "time" in the "x axis", with this good example:

https://i.imgur.com/mhkjW3W.jpg

I'm the author of this published graph of metal bands. Certainly i had never heard about this association with "line graph" and "time". But i recognize that i'm a perfect newbie doing statistical graphs, so i consider a good learning for me all the good comments here 馃槄

Said this, i appreciate your line chart with temperature-pression, because certainly it's a good counter-argument on that supposed strong link between "line graphs" and "time X axis".

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My unique concern now is how to represent in the future this kind of data without using LINES. I don't like to put 2 bars for each country, because it usually connotes that both bars are corresponding to the same "metric" or same "nature". For example:

bar 1: number of metal bands
bar 2: number of pop bands

But in my case bot metrics are of very **different nature**: they are **not comparable**. One es number of things, and the other is number of things per capita ! Do you understand me?

Someone has any good answer for this kind of data to be rendered in the same graph?

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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j491a4g wrote

Reply to comment by kerver2 in [OC] Heavy Metal bands in Spanish-speaking countries 路 Jan'2023 by UsandoFXOS

Thanks man. You know it: every little detail in a graphic like this has taken several minutes (sometimes quite minutes) to decide the best choice 馃槄 but always someone else saying the graph shows up to make you see you could have done better.

About your comments, i certainly tested different colors for the blue bars and the orange line. I also don't like very much my final result in this sense. But it was my best result after 10 minutes of make a dozen tries 馃様

Anyway, this is a great community to share and get excellent feedback. Sure. Thanks!

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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j48zyla wrote

Reply to comment by Draugtaur in [OC] Heavy Metal bands in Spanish-speaking countries 路 Jan'2023 by UsandoFXOS

I think that another user ( u/groovycoyote ) has commented the same thing but with another words: not to use LINE GRAPH for CATEGORICAL DATA (list of countries on X axis).

Yep. I understand the point of you. But help me please to see the difference with a "double bar per country" graphic in this case (one bar for metric A, one bar for metric B). Wouldn't be this bar graph "less redeable". Even, wouldn't it seems that first bar is "before" and second bar is "after", just speaking about time.

However, when i use bars for "number of total bands" and dot-line for "bands per unhabitant", i think that i'm making clear that both are 2 different METRICS, instead of 2 different VALUES of the the same country (probably in different times).

Do you understand me?

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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j48yksm wrote

Reply to comment by jakubkonecki in [OC] Heavy Metal bands in Spanish-speaking countries 路 Jan'2023 by UsandoFXOS

i've passed several hours thinking about it in the past, but finally i decided that the "continuity" of the line (orange in this case) is more "appropriate" to render the MAIN METRIC on the graph. For this reason i put it so.

In other words, i would say the opposite to your comment: the orange line stands out above the "chaotic" bars, so it helps to focus first on the orange metric (in this case "bands/unhabitant".

Where i still have doubts is about where to put each Y axis. Which at left and which at right. I think that maybe in this graph i did it wrong... it probably would be better put the MAIN METRIC on the LEFT Y axis.

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UsandoFXOS OP t1_j2c0rgd wrote

Reply to comment by Important_Sound5151 in [OC] Top 20 countries with more primary school teachers per thousand inhabitants (2021) by UsandoFXOS

Thank you for a such an smart and insightful comment.

I know that most of reddit users are from USA, so usually i publish some kind of statistical graph with a world ranking where this country doesn't appear very well, i receive picky extra reviews 馃槄

About teacher ratios and what you commented, i have a question: in USA people has not the possibility to access to a FREE PUBLIC SCHOOL in the ELEMENTARY (PRIMARY) SCHOOL? I would have say yes.

Furthermore, maybe you're also a bit confused regarding for example education on europe: there are too a lot of PRIVATE (paid) educational centers. For example, in Spain there is 32% of schools that are private.

I mention this because the explanation you gave for USA i think that doesn't explain all. Even, let me add this: in the public universities (FREE) in Barcelona (where i studied) there were LESS STUDENTS PER TEACHER than in the private universities (PAID), for the same study course. I can say it because i changed from one to another just in the middle of the course, by money problem.

So, i don't have so clear that paid school means more teachers for same students. There are probably a range of diversity. As you said, it deserves a more deep research. Yeah.

Thanks for be there 馃榾

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