I agree. Random Access Memories doesn't do anything for me. I literally feel bored when listening to it.

But, I do know tons of people who enjoy the shit out of that album. It's just not for me and I've listened to it maybe 10 times.

Start using the actual term "closer". Not all self-identifying bands are "headliners". If you play in the middle, you are not a headliner.. just a band who is playing in the middle. Either you are a true headliner or a closer.

Headliner "a performer or act that is the star attraction on a program and typically performs last".

Never have I ever been to an event where an actual headliner has not played the final spot..

All you people who are saying headliners can play in other spots don't understand what "headliner" truly means and are perpetuating the problem in the scene.

Don't use the word "headliner" lightly; sometimes there are no headliners at an event, just bands who are playing or touring through.

If they're not well known, they're not a headliner. If they're touring through but don't have a pull, they're not a headliner. Headliner is literally the final spot. Larger acts are known as headliners because they pull well and go last. Going 2nd is just going on 2nd.

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Exactly

What you said is all true.

I would like to point out the middle slot is the middle slot, not the headlining slot. Touring does not necessarily equal "headliner".

What qualifies you as a "headliner" as opposed to a "touring band who's coming through to play this event".

Edit: *?. This is a question.

I have never attended an event where an actual headliner didn't play the closing spot.

Totally supportive of it if the lineup is discussed ahead of time and promoted as such.

3. Each time.

>1. When the most people are there. Realistically they should be done by midnight.
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>3. Yes, but if you tell them it's a headline spot and they start at 1am, there can be some confusion.
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>--> Headliners do start at 1am. If the issue is shows run to late then there's an issue with show times.

1. Please elaborate what the "best spot" is for a headliner.

2. Not sure for all bands but we love playing last, however we want to make sure we're promoting the lineup correctly.

3. It's unprofessional for a "headliner" to switch the lineup last minute.

^this

I feel the "it's been a blessing" because we don't mind headlining. The issue is: promoting the event with the expected lineup, and also the ego of a proclaimed "headliner" but them not headlining. If bands don't want to headline then work it out ahead of time.

Lol I know that's what they say and it's ridiculous. If if they are the hEaDlIneR then people will stay for them.

See that's the problem and I consider a huge issue and misconception in the scene.

If there is a headliner then they should play the final spot. If it's a Tuesday night then don't have as many bands on the event and have the "headliner" play last at 10pm. Why would supporting acts go last, that's just silly.

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