chrispd01

chrispd01 t1_j0zvzmh wrote

Reply to comment by Meta_Digital in Anarchism at the End of the World: A defence of the instinct that won’t go away by Sventipluk

I was not 100% sure where you were going with that but I appreciate you laying this out.

It seems to me, though that there are a couple of ways of looking at this development. , see the development of liberal democracy, increasing recognition within certain spheres of an individual. That is individual has a certain dignity and worth and independence that cannot be abrogated. I don’t think it’s wrong to see political development as the increasing expansion of that zone. So you see things like the Magna Carta before locke as beginning to impose limits on arbitrary rule, and that trend continuing.

For my own self, I think the notion of private property can be overstated and can warp itself through disproportionate political influence and act to a bridge the autonomy of others.

But I’m not sure that problem isn’t found, and just the institution itself. That is to say the remedy for all the ills you identify are thoighbthe exercise of political power

If you tell me that because of economics, there is disproportionate, political power, I would agree. But I would also say that that is not liberal democracy. That is the warping of liberal democracy to a different end

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chrispd01 t1_j0znmp7 wrote

Reply to comment by Meta_Digital in Anarchism at the End of the World: A defence of the instinct that won’t go away by Sventipluk

Could you lay that out in a little more detail ? Seems to me like you are asserting some ideas and drawing connections which are not beyond dispute. You may be corect but I cant really follow - this is not so much an explanation asnan assertion

Which I gotta say is really ironic given the subject if this thread and the article

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chrispd01 t1_j0zhz4r wrote

Reply to Anarchism at the End of the World: A defence of the instinct that won’t go away by Sventipluk

I guess what I’m not sure about is why a properly functioning liberal democracy wouldnt be an appropriate approximation of at least what this person says anarchy is all about ?

Its a balancing of interests, respect for both individual and collective will with legitimate organs of control.

Not to say that liberal democracies dont exhibit a range and some are more fair than others but it seems to me at least for this anarchist author, they should be working to strengthen and improve the institutions that are already in place. This would serve the goals best in my view

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chrispd01 t1_iyn2qwr wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in How to solve moral problems with formal logic and probability by beforesunset1010

It looks like that except in practice its not. There isnt a real analysis going on in terms of real data etc. hence the basketball model - once people start actually applyjgn analysis the behavior markedly changes

That means that people arent doing that becaue once they start doing that their behavior changes.

The counter to that i think is that people think they are doing that but they are doing a bad job. But in general i dont thibk they really are - they dont make a conscious evalaution of the steps to solve the problem and they just intuit it. They may thinknthey exercosdd judgemtn but in practice they did not

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chrispd01 t1_iymqet8 wrote

Reply to comment by Tinac4 in How to solve moral problems with formal logic and probability by beforesunset1010

I think in reality it comes under intuition. You have an idea experientially as to what is a reasoanble course of action to take. Tonthe extent a mathematical decision gets made, its at the level of “i probably ought to be ok”

Thinking about, there is a good analogy in the world of sports - look at the change in basketball shot patterns. The change is traceable to applying an economic / statistical approach to thise decisions.

But my point is people are more like players before the analytical approach took over. They tend to use intuition and “feel” more than the sort of evaluation you are talkkng about.

In fact its really interesting how wrong peoples intuitions are in those situations … making the less efficient choice, choosing the wrong strategy etc.

That to me shows that in practice people do not ordinarily make the sort of calculations you were describing. It doesn’t mean that they should not make those, just that they do not.

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