feeltheslipstream

feeltheslipstream t1_j372mea wrote

Well it's been a year and even back then it was really only available on Taiwan sites. I would advice you search for it in Chinese.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2022/feb/07/peng-shuai-says-weibo-post-sparked-enormous-misunderstanding

>It’s always good to see Peng Shuai, whether in an interview or attending the Olympic Games. However, her recent in-person interview does not alleviate any of our concerns about her initial post from 2 November.

See, people have met in person. But I bet that's not going to be enough anymore right?

>As to why the ccp might want to silence her, the ccp tried to silence the news of COVID within China for quite a while before the global outbreak. I don't see why they would want to do that instead of getting global help to contain the virus, but yet here we are.

We really going to do this?

The provincial government covered this from the federal level government for a week. Once this was discovered, the ccp immediately informed the WHO. It wasn't like the covered it up and got found out.

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feeltheslipstream t1_j369wsv wrote

There's also been private meetings, not just video calls. And just not with the WTA. WTA also didn't get even a video call. The IOC has been the ones in contact, along with a couple of interviews for the media (some non Chinese).

Video calls are just the only ones we, the public, get to witness.

I think a lot of context is lost when people read the truncated/translated version of the post that started this. Reading it in Chinese, it is 90% a love letter and 10% details of the man using his power to get the girl.

The post has bad timing to be caught in the middle of the me too movement, but sexual assault/abuse is not really the point of the post.

There's no reason for anyone (or the ccp) to think it was intended as an accusation of crime. Why would there be a need to silence her?

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feeltheslipstream t1_j366ngf wrote

Your argument is based on the poorly defined idea that a confirmation isn't a confirmation. Which leaves me scratching my head.

There's a difference between saying "I've received some information" and "I've received confirmation. You're saying they are the same thing. Which they are not.

If you say you received confirmation, it means you believe it confirms the information you got.

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feeltheslipstream t1_j365v0z wrote

>No, my bar is that if they can meet Peng Shuai without the monitoring of Chinese authorities

It isn't.

Because you've already clarified that stuff can happen after the meeting. And that's enough for it to fail your bar again.

After the meeting, you'll give me more examples of people who got arrested after public appearances. And use that to tell me it fails your bar.

Come on. You know its true.

If the meeting is in China, you'll say she's still within ccp influence. So you insist she flies out to meet you. There, you'll say ccp has a history of grabbing people from other countries. Or maybe you'll claim she has family in China.

Nothing she does will pass your bar. Let's reverse roles for fun. Let me have a turn being the troll. You come up with what you think is a bullet proof scenario and I either prove she's now your prisoner, or give you a reason why she still fails to meet the bar set.

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feeltheslipstream t1_j362fcq wrote

They literally have zero information in front of them to be skeptical.

They're skeptical based on suspicions. All information actually points to this being nothing.

You're confusing suspicion and evidence.

But this isn't the point I was trying to make from the start. My point is that the statement from WTA is self contradictory. If your only rebuttal is going to be splitting hairs on the semantics of confirmation, I have to point out it's a very weak one.

No evidence will ever pass the bar you've set. Peng Shuai could fly to your house and stay with you for a year, and your argument would still hold : who's to know she didn't get captured the moment she left your house?

If nothing can satisfy the bar, the bar is set wrongly.

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feeltheslipstream t1_j35njmg wrote

But the bank has just given you a video call to confirm money is still in the bank. And you're still saying its not enough because it might have been stolen after the call. I assure you that if this scenario ever occurs, your bank will NOT be arranging a private visit of their vault for you.

Wta has been able to talk to her over video call. That's what they mean by confirmation.

You are talking about a woman who has outed herself as a mistress in a Conservative society, and expect her to make herself available to be in the spotlight. That's ridiculous. This isn't even unprecedented. People with far bigger star power have disappeared from the public eye overnight because they've been exposed of being part of an affair.

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feeltheslipstream t1_j31jbou wrote

You're adding a time component to the question, making it philosophical : all confirmations occur in the past.

If we were to use this on everything, we would conclude we are sure of nothing. Last time someone checked in on you, you were an outstanding member of society and law abiding citizen.

But who is to say you haven't fucked a goat this morning? We can't be sure!

I hope you see why that reasoning is pretty bad.

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feeltheslipstream t1_j315duu wrote

No I'm not.

Read my post again. My point is that wta seems to simultaneously claim that they received confirmation and that its not enough to be a resolution of the issue.

These two things shouldn't be simultaneously possible. So if they're not lying about confirmation, they're pushing the issue in spite of proof otherwise. If they didn't get confirmation, they lied about getting it.

Confirmation means they received proof. So did they or not? Are they lying or acting in bad faith?

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