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jilljackmuse OP t1_jd4tjku wrote
Reply to comment by imagicnation-station in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
No, it's whether they even want to.
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd2caen wrote
Reply to comment by mikeholczer in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
So should Neanderthals and Homo Erectus not exist to us?
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd2c49t wrote
Reply to comment by meat_popsicle13 in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
Sounds like a chill vibe.
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd2c3vb wrote
Reply to comment by s1ngular1ty2 in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
Yeah, that makes sense to me. Hence why need to look after this planet and take climate change seriously.
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd2c25m wrote
Reply to comment by imagicnation-station in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
Except once again, we had Neanderthals and Homo Erectus who were close to or as intelligent as us, and we have no evidence of them being technologically advanced or contributing to science.
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd15ls9 wrote
Reply to comment by Paradox_Dolphin in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
That would be very interesting, although how could we communicate with them? Would they even know we're here? Would we even know they're there?
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd15gc8 wrote
Reply to comment by JimmiRustle in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
Which comes back to colonialism and imperialism.
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd15f66 wrote
Reply to comment by s1ngular1ty2 in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
Do you think we're near the end of technological progress?
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd15dan wrote
Reply to comment by ricardo9505 in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
But then again, other human species had the potential and didn't take it, so why do we assume intelligent alien species would?
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd11602 wrote
Reply to comment by onlycodeposts in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
Could you send them forward? That sounds interesting but I'm assuming this is humans meeting aliens so Avatar is probably one example.
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd10gwi wrote
Reply to comment by ttkciar in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
Or perhaps almost no other intelligent alien species go through this process of "civilisation". Consider other intelligent human species and how they didn't have an agricultural revolution or civilisation. If Homo Sapiens hadn't arisen, would we be a planet with no intelligent species?
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd10ayo wrote
Reply to comment by SirHerald in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
Sure, but we're assuming there are any aliens who can travel to Earth.
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd108tt wrote
Reply to comment by reddit455 in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
And I agree that there must be intelligent alien species like us out there, but what I'm saying is perhaps they're just so rare, even rarer than Drake's Equation suggests because he didn't include what a species wants to do.
Did Neanderthals or Homo Erectus want to become a technologically advanced, "civilised" species? Did most hunter-gatherer humans choose this form of society or were they replaced or subsumed by human groups that did want to do this? Look at pre-historic Europe, Neolithic farmers were known for creating segregated societies and replacing entire areas with members of their own and leading to the near-extinction of Western European Hunter-Gatherers. And that's just one case. The Yamnaya people also replaced large parts of Europe. And that's just one small continent. This happened everywhere around the planet, but mainly with our species. If there weren't any groups of "civilised" humans or if those groups were defeated by hunter-gatherer humans, perhaps we'd be just like our ancestors were for 95% of our history.
Perhaps, intelligent aliens species just didn't go down the same path because they didn't want to.
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd0zizu wrote
Reply to comment by DolorisRex in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
That makes sense, but it doesn't seem like a good idea to assume alien species behave the same way we do.
jilljackmuse OP t1_jd0yd42 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
I feel that's completely fair for us to think that way, but it doesn't seem like a good idea to think of intelligent aliens that way when not even other intelligent human species took the same path we did.
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jilljackmuse OP t1_jd5s12t wrote
Reply to comment by imagicnation-station in Why do we assume aliens have similar technologies or more advanced technologies than we do? by jilljackmuse
Neanderthals have existed longer than Homo Sapiens have. You're assuming that the path we took is a normal and expected path. Why?
The way I see it, the path we took was very unlikely and most humans during the "cavemen era" did not agree to it considering we find evidence of "civilised" humans replacing and subsuming most hunter-gatherer human groups throughout the past 10k years, like how Middle-Eastern Neolithic farmers migrated to Europe and almost entirely replaced Western European Hunter-Gatherers and turned them into second-class citizens in the societies they created. Due to this, most biggest ancestral influence of Europeans comes from these Middle-Eastern farmers and not the indigenous Western European Hunter-Gatherers. These farmers were so influential, they're responsible for giving Europeans very pale skin (in comparison to the dark-skinned WEHG) and advanced (for its time) agriculture. And it wasn't just in Europe they did this, they also went into North-East Africa and Ethiopians/Somalis/Eritreans are about 40-60% Western Eurasian in genetic heritage.
If humans were more solitary like Neanderthals, then perhaps our agricultural and "civilised" ancestors would have stayed in small groups which would prevent civilisation that would could allow calculus to be discovered/invented (depending on your perspective of mathematics). But they didn't, they were known for having large tribes, large-scale migrations, trade routes that went across seas, tribal alliances to take over other human groups and then eventually agriculture and civilisation. I don't see this as part of what makes us intelligent because Neanderthals may have been as intelligent as us and yet they stayed in small groups and everything they made came from the local environment.
Also, Homo Erectus may not have been exactly as intelligent as we are, but they were still quite intelligent and they've existed far, far longer than we have with similar bodies that could allow tool-making and potentially language. They could still have come up with agriculture and civilisation and metal-working, but they didn't. Did they really not have enough time, or did they just not want to?