First I believe in an ideology, not a party. If the politician doesn't align with that ideology I don't support it.

>say MSNBC is part of your political party

I said msnbc is a left wing propaganda machine and is part of dems. Not "my political party" though.

>MSNBC doesn't support the things they do because you don't support it despite it being part of your party.

You've moved goal posts.

You said "You would be defending him if he was still a Democrat."

Now you're saying "MSNBC would be defending him if he was still a Democrat."

Completely different arguments. I would not be defending him if he was still a dem and a large part of the democrat base wouldn't either.

>NOI/BHI/5% celebrates the holocaust. They say the jews Hitler killed were imposters. They say black Americans are the true hebrews. They want to pick up where Hitler left off.

And they're sane enough to not go on MSNBC and say that shit.

Kanye isn't sane enough to do that. That's the criticism. The "he's crazy" has nothing to do with left wing/right wing.

>You will support that and gaslight people about that to your grave.

No. I don't support any of that.

>I also love how you denied the holocaust again yourself with your sly "2million" rhetoric. Classic.

I was quoting Kanye because we were discussing kanye. You're actually deranged. This isn't me gaslighting you. This is me saying you should print this conversation out, go to a therapist, show them the print out, and get professional help.

Didn't say I support MSNBC.

I said "Like if kanye said "I love hitler" on MSNBC I'd be okay with it."

I wouldn't be okay with it just like I'm not okay with some random tweet about fetishizing black people chris hayes made 11 years ago.

Personally I hate all mainstream media as they're nothing but tools for wallstreet.

>I don't see Chris Hayes facing any pitchforks like Kanye. Because he is still a democrat.

Or because it was 11 years ago and it was cringe as fuck, but not the same as saying I love hitler and Hitler didn't kill 2million jews.

If you can't see how fetishizing black people and killing 2 million jews isn't the same you need help.

Yeah I don't like Chris Hayes racial fetishizing or Louis Farrakhan either.

Try again.

Yeah wtf was that, glad I wasn't the only one that saw it. Like if kanye said "I love hitler" on MSNBC I'd be okay with it.

I've never seen a single clip of Jay-Z saying "I love hitler" or "Hitler didn't kill 2 million jews". If he does believe those things he is mentally stable enough to know not to go on alex jones and say that shit.

Also, no we wouldn't.

Probably wrap it still so she has something to open then give when agreed.

Might want to put it in a box first so it's not obvious.

Sounds like 20-30 range if you want a good gift, but 10-20 if you want a funny gift/christmas.

What you should do is get the santa socks, then put a Milka chocolate bar in it.

Then when she gets it say something like "turns out you can just leave the bar as the gift, you just need to put it in a christmas stocking first."

Christmas stocking wiki if you haven't heard them before.

>: while we're on the topic, how expensive/luxurious should I go with the gifts?

Usually discuss together as a group to pick a range of price to avoid confusion and people getting upset/embarrassed. I'd really recommend bringing it up asap if it wasn't discussed. Really depends on income of everyone and should be favorable to the person with the lowest income to avoid really fucking that person over.

20-30 price range is safe and 50-60 is what I do with my family.