SSD's don't delete like an HDD. Recovery, without modifying the settings of the SSD, is non-trivial. One dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sd0 and you are not recovering that data. I've yet to find a recovery company capable of getting any useful data even when given the location of a text file and all they had to do was tell me what was in the file and nothing else.

It's become a phobia for quite some time now because of the laws.

It turns out the theory that some with an electron microscope could extra several layers of data was very wrong but people took it as gospel. Turns out it's an order of magnitude more difficult.

Most recovery is done from a 'they deleted the file and turned the machine off' type situation. Meaning no actual wiping occurred more than pointers to the file.

Specifically, for SSD's, it depends on the trim setting on your drive.

But even for HDD's, one solid dd wipe to full and there is not going to be any data recovery.

Now if you're talking hard drive made before the late 90's then some things can get weird and a few other factors may come into play but most of those hard drives are long dead now but even then it's still extremely difficult to recover data that's been zero'ed.

> but my point is that hardware destruction is the norm in healthcare.

It's also the norm in the federal government for similar reasons.

> And I find it hard do believe that a company managing 3000 Macs doesn’t use an MDM.

Oh my sweet summer child. Companies still rely on some Windows machines that are older than some people who can fucking vote.

Companies can be cheap and unless they absolutely need to manage 3k Macs with MDM then there's no need to invest the money in that effort.

You may be fooled into thinking "it doesn't take much to manage.." - until it's about 30 minutes worth of effort to go from beginning to push out to all devices and have it installed - it does take "much". Installing profiles alone takes a fair amount of work.

I've had IT managers keep excel fucking spreadsheets of users passwords in plain text.

If you find it "hard to believe a company managing 3k Macs doesn't use MDM" then you have not worked in the tech field long enough to see just how lazy or cheap companies can be.

I've worked from extremely intelligent and efficient companies to those I wouldn't feel comfortable with HR having any personal information from me.

I dunno, I'd rather explain how to install an AdBlock to the younger folks than a 60+ year old.

My cousin who grew up with this has Asperger's Syndrome and is still significantly easier to explain tech to than... basically anyone that's 50+.

So while I get the hate that's, I truly suspect is jealousy or something, it's simply just not the case.

When it comes to tech, I'll gamble with the younger folks over the older folks who specifically refuse to learn it (e.g. practically all politicians).