The state is literally an invention of capital to protect itself from the working class.

Well… that’s capitalism for ya.

Can’t even get a second yacht… smh

Damn I would go hungry with just 600k per year, poor Tim Apples.

So you are pretty much alone, specially among actual specialists and people who actively study consciousness.

Spatial awareness may be a component of sapience. But consciousness has nothing to do with sapience. Being self-aware may very well be a simple biological mechanism that emerged from evolutionary needs. Just like all brain processes. So it’s quite remarkable that almost no scientists studying consciousness nowadays believe it is “generated” in the brain. So all in all, that consciousness is not either emergent nor a characteristic OF the brain.

The only people who think this like you are strict materialists who never studied consciousness, and go on the outdated model that consciousness = mind.

Also, I think you misunderstood the first comment a lot man… Just because we might never be able to access the “higher-level physics” doesn’t mean it’s magic.

I for one believe we have limitations as humans, namely logic and our senses. We are in many ways bound by rationality and logic, which likely arose from evolution and not any metaphysical truth. And our senses (even our more abstract senses, such as our imagination) are equally limited by biology and our evolution.

Bound by evolution in the sense that they evolved to help us survive. Not to find “truth”. So they are at best imperfect for that end, and at worst totally useless.

So yes, it’s possible the problem of consciousness is “unbreakable” for humans. We might need some “higher” being to help us, such as AI (and yes I know this contradicts the original comment a bit, never said I 100% agree with them).

Who is talking about magic here?

Just because something is not explainable by science doesn’t mean it’s magic…

Could you elaborate on how picturing yourself surrounded with objects generates consciousness? My view on consciousness has nothing to do with spatial awareness lol

I disagree that that is an explanation for consciousness at all tho…

Consciousness is not “self-image”. I mean, self-image is NOT a big mystery lol.

The “mystery” of consciousness is the experience of being aware, present, of being “there”. Is an experience we all have, but very few can put into words. Consciousness is the DEEPEST feeling we have.

Having a self-image is… very mechanical, and really does not explain the experience of “being” at all.

Like… I don’t think self-image is even necessary to be conscious at all. I don’t think a fish has self-image, but they are conscious.

Consciousness is just the result of having to hunt better..? That is the worst take on consciousness I’ve ever seen lol

So only predators can be conscious?

And consciousness to you is “knowing someone is behind a rock”?

I mean, it just seems you have a COMPLETELY different idea of consciousness then I or most people have.

And yes, to the people actively studying it, it’s a bit stupefying and “magical”. Because we cannot explain even the HOW using current science. Let alone the WHY…