theggman_
theggman_ OP t1_j3bvnqq wrote
Reply to [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
What is a therapeutic index (TI for short):
TI is a way of gauging a substance toxicity. It can be calculated in two different ways:
- LD50 / ED50
- TD50 / ED50
LD50: lethal dose in 50% of the test population
ED50: dose to achieve desired effects (in this case experiencing pyschoactivity) in 50% of the test population
TD50: dose to experience toxic effect in 50% of the test population
​
In this case all the values are calculated using the first method.
Keep in mind that the substances used are pure and in a lab environment.
Addressing inaccuracies:
As you might imagine calculating the TI of a given substance for humans is pretty hard, this data is based on animal studies and estimates based on death reports, so it might not be incredibly accurate. Also the therapeutic index calculated this way doen't directly measure how toxic a substance is for your body, although a broad therapeutic index generally implies a less toxic substance.
(?): since it's unknown if these substances can cause death in humans it's really hard to calculate their TI
(*): LD50 are all over the place for this substances, this is the best i could find.
Sources: pdfhost [dot] io/v/Tdx47N5.G_TI_of_various_drugs
Tool: google sheets
if you find more accurate sources please link them in the comment's
edit: some clarifications
theggman_ OP t1_j3bvgyb wrote
Reply to comment by theggman_ in [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
this are the sources: pdfhost dot io/v/Tdx47N5.G_TI_of_various_drugs
theggman_ OP t1_j3bvam0 wrote
Reply to [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
reddit seems to delete my comments with sources and explanation, im going crazy
theggman_ OP t1_j3buezd wrote
Reply to comment by dsafklj in [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
in this case i estimated the ED50 as getting high (not dunk off your mind, just enough to see significant activity), i know there are other drugs that have narrow therapeutic indexes but this was intended to be a review of commonly used recreational substances
theggman_ OP t1_j3bt0e5 wrote
Reply to comment by jakubkonecki in [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
lmao, enjoy your weekend too
theggman_ OP t1_j3bono0 wrote
Reply to comment by jakubkonecki in [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
nono i've posted it, mods haven't removed my post so im assuming some people can see it. Still, i can't see it in incognito mode, im getting even more confused.
theggman_ OP t1_j3bniya wrote
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im confused, wtf
theggman_ OP t1_j3bgrqp wrote
Reply to comment by jakubkonecki in [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
i've reposted the comment and deleted the original lmk if you see it now
theggman_ OP t1_j3bgp87 wrote
Reply to [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
What is a therapeutic index (TI for short):
TI is a way of gauging a substance toxicity. It can be calculated in two different ways:
- LD50 / ED50
- TD50 / ED50
LD50: lethal dose in 50% of the test population
ED50: dose to achieve desired effects (in this case experiencing pyschoactivity) in 50% of the test population
TD50: dose to experience toxic effect in 50% of the test population
​
In this case all the values are calculated using the first method.
Keep in mind that the substances used are pure and in a lab environment.
Addressing inaccuracies:
As you might imagine calculating the TI of a given substance for humans is pretty hard, this data is based on animal studies and estimates based on death reports, so it might not be incredibly accurate. Also the therapeutic index calculated this way doen't directly measure how toxic a substance is for your body, although a broad therapeutic index generally implies a less toxic substance.
(?): since it's unknown if these substances can cause death in humans it's really hard to calculate their TI
(*): LD50 are all over the place for this substances, this is the best i could find.
Sources: https://pdfhost.io/v/Tdx47N5.G_TI_of_various_drugs
Tool: google sheets
if you find more accurate sources please link them in the comment's
edit: some clarifications
theggman_ OP t1_j3bgfnv wrote
Reply to comment by jakubkonecki in [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
wtf, this is wierd
theggman_ OP t1_j3bde5u wrote
Reply to comment by Yahallo139 in [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
it's easier to overdose on it (it's still incredibly hard)
edit: i've read your comment wrong lol, you can overdose more easily on caffeine, lsd is completely bodily safe.
theggman_ OP t1_j3bd3vk wrote
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theggman_ OP t1_j3a05h2 wrote
Reply to comment by HankRivera in [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
cool, i mean it already seems pretty safe
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theggman_ OP t1_j3cmu34 wrote
Reply to comment by lbs21 in [OC] Estimated toxicity of various common drugs (Sources and explanation in the comments) by theggman_
oh yeah i forgot to add, i have taken most of the active doses from psychonaut wiki.
Whilst it is obviously not a reputable source, they usually have pretty accurate information and finding reputable source for recreational doses is pretty hard