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unitedfan6191 t1_jdk7mfq wrote

Dawson Leery after like season 4 of Dawson’s Creek.

He started as a cliched and innocent hopeless romantic with aspirations to be a filmmaker but then at a certain point devolved into a somewhat jealous, bitter, angry, possessive person who also decides to run away from responsibility and commitments when it gets too tough and sometimes blames others. I don’t want this to sound too harsh as I would want to give him the benefit of the doubt and he was a teenager who made mistakes and there are reasons for a lot of his behavior, but I think as a character they kinda dropped the ball with him towards the end.

Jack Bauer on 24.

His defense in the name of national security for his barbaric torture and threatening innocents with violence and death if they didn’t so what he says became tired and a crutch after a while and his bad behavior couldn’t possibly be justified after a while. I was willing to have sympathy for him after loved ones either died or left him, but it doesn’t give him the right to point a gun at an innocent person and tell them he will kill them if they don’t do exactly as he says. He’s also displayed hypocritical behavior when he judges and criticizes people for doing similar things to what he’s done which makes him a little tired and unlikable for me after a while.

Karen Walker on Will & Grace, like The Todd snd Bulldog, was intentionally written that way but was still very unlikable even though I could still kinda understand her behavior to a point when you look deeper and realize why she acts the way she does and she displays great heart sometimes.

Others:

Ross on Friends for the obvious reasons anyone familiar with the show already knows. Rachel to a degree as well, but I think Ross’ list of douchey behavior takes the proverbial cake.

The Todd on Scrubs was a total creep and a perverted human being, but he was intended to be that way and he was only a side character.

The crew on Seinfeld in the latter years especially were largely horrible human beings.

Ryan Howard on The Office was a largely appalling human being, although he looked great in a fedora.

Bob “Bulldog” Briscoe, like The Todd on Scrubs, was a lawsuit waiting to happen on Frasier and a chauvinistic and openly offensive person like him couldn’t exist in real life.

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unitedfan6191 OP t1_jdedvy9 wrote

On the flip side of awards nominations and wins keeping talented people engaged, would you say it’s the opposite effect for many talented people who just miss out or just completely snubbed? By not getting nominations and wins, do you think many talented people will be more inclined to try film because they feel they’re not getting enough recognition in awards season?

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unitedfan6191 OP t1_jddjcmq wrote

That opens up a whole new can of worms when you start using words like “deserve.”

We all have our own interpretations of what that means and even if the performance you’re thinking “deserves” to win an award and most people agree with your sentiment, there are usually at least a few other performances on a similar level competing so I think it can be a tricky business deciding who most “deserves” an award because I feel their performance would still be out of this world whether they win an award or not.

But I think I get where you’re coming from and an award can be good validation and if it means a lot to the actor/writer/whatever then I will root for them.

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unitedfan6191 t1_jdbjvk8 wrote

Actually, according to healthline.com, the signs of “psychopathy” are:

  1. Inability to distinguish between right and wrong

  2. Lack of empathy and remorse

  3. Behavior that conflicts with social norms

  4. Manipulating and hurting others

  5. Disregard for safety and responsibility

  6. Disregarding or violating the rights of others

  7. Tendency to lie often

  8. Recurring problems with the law

  9. Expressing anger and arrogance on a regular basis

House pretty much was and did all these things at some point/regularly on the show.

https://www.healthline.com/health/psychopath#signs

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unitedfan6191 t1_jd9lp1j wrote

Yes.

I mean, to elaborate:

  1. He avoided interacting with people as much as he could and it was a major part of his character to generally avoid talking to patients unless it was absolutely necessary. If that was the extent of it, it would be fine as some people are introverted, but he savagely insults and humiliates people when he does interact.

  2. He had a lack of empathy and was willing to put people through immense amounts of suffering (including willingly trying to forge and coerce patient signatures for extremely risky experimental procedures) if it meant the puzzle was solved at the end (ends justify the means).

  3. He was willing to potentially ruin his colleagues’ lives by threatening to discredit them when they attempt to find new employment elsewhere in the medical field when they overly questioned his methods when they believed he went too far and threatened to quit.

  4. He drove a car into Cuddy’s house. Not to mention his prank around this time also nearly destroyed the hospital and he would have had to serve another prison sentence (a far longer one) and the main reason he faked his death was to avoid this prison sentence.

  5. He snooped in on his colleagues’ personal lives constantly even during extremely inappropriate moments when family members died and therefore refused to respect boundaries.

I’m not necessarily calling him a psychopath because he made mistakes and there are reasons for his behavior, but I think he could plausibly fit the definition.

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unitedfan6191 t1_j9s936x wrote

Echoing what others have already said, an excellent episode and truly gut-wrenching.

It was nice to see this different side to both Cox and Kelso and totally believable in their acting that they could soften and show their more vulnerable side.

Kelso telling Carla about his longtime wife Enid and how what he previously viewed as a flaw of hers reminded him how much he truly cared for her was a nice transition to the funeral when we finally get the reveal.

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unitedfan6191 t1_j9owsmg wrote

Awful’s often subjective. What’s considered awful by one person is considered decent by another. It depends on one’s tolerance levels.

An example is The Office.

Seasons 2-7 are among the greatest TV show seasons ever produced and written, but I wouldn’t call season 8 a hugely chasm-sized drop off (it’s solid, imo) and even season 9 has its moments, but both seasons definitely drop the quality a few rungs lower on the ladder compared to the show’s peak years.

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unitedfan6191 t1_j6jv73i wrote

Then the characters who worked with him and “knew” him don’t ever mention his name ever again, not even one single time, like he never existed. The only thing I was turned off by on this otherwise great show.

I could accept that he was a cold, womanizing, occasionally obliviously jerky guy who was like a less refined Jim Halpert who most people didn’t miss, but to erase him from existence just seemed unrealistic to expect the audience to just forget he was ever a character. I mean, who are we talking about again? 😉

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unitedfan6191 OP t1_j6gq18q wrote

I haven’t seen The Simpsons since like season 30 I think but I believe Lisa did mention Armin Tamzarian once in an episode in the mid-teens I think.

Lisa: But to save money on a new dish, we'll just call you Snowball ll and pretend this whole thing never happened.

Skinner: That's really a cheat, isn't it?

Lisa: I guess you're right, Principal Tamzarian.

Skinner: I'll just be moving along,

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unitedfan6191 OP t1_j6gotuh wrote

I didn’t initially like the introduction of Dawn because it made no sense as it happened, but then that season ended up being so engrossing and felt like a return to form for the show I’ve always been a big fan of.

Honestly, I think there was a more sloppy retcon that screwed a little with continuity from the show, though.

You think you can fool me?! You were my sire, man! You were my... Yoda!

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unitedfan6191 OP t1_j6fcq8x wrote

I have one for you that may or may not count as retconning.

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen Seinfeld, but it’s said that Kramer at the start of the show hasn’t left the building in years, yet that is never really a thing as the next season progresses. It actually completely ignores this revelation about him pretty quickly and he’s like a completely different guy soon after this and you’d never think he was this recluse who never left his apartment for years.

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unitedfan6191 t1_j5gfpjn wrote

Dragnet (1987)

There’s a pole dancer whose breasts are almost entirely exposed besides her nipples.

The movie wasn’t rated PG in the US but it was in some other territories and this is still an example of how movies from like Pre-90s got away with more than most movies today that aren’t just rated R.

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unitedfan6191 t1_j2e3vjg wrote

Rocky.

Sure, depending on how you interpret it, he does kind of rape Adrian (not in a grotesque way, but maybe to some it disqualifies him being a squeaky-clean hero?), but his intentions are always good and honorable and he is so humble throughout the movie and his goals are never really lofty.

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unitedfan6191 t1_j1o9erj wrote

I’d define that word as episodes that feature characters acting wildly out of sync with their usual rhythm in a way that makes no sense and does nothing for the long term growth of that character.

Almost all shows with a traditional 22-episode format have them so I don’t look too down on the better shows having a few fluff episodes a season because TV show writers have deadlines and orders from above to churn out episodes and I think the very best make the best out of a not-ideal situation.

Even shows like Seinfeld and Frasier and Parks and Rec had some episodes which seemed less than essential but they still offered fantastic entertainment even in those episodes so I’m fine with a little fluff here or there as long as it’s quality.

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unitedfan6191 t1_j1ecavf wrote

Friends - “The One Where Rachel Quits” (Season 3, Episode 10)

Buffy the Vampire Slayer - "Amends" (Season 3, Episode 10)

The Office - "Christmas Party" (Season 2, Episode 10)

The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air - “Christmas Show” (Season 2, Episode 12)

Frasier - "Merry Christmas, Mrs. Moskowitz" (Season 6, Episode 10)

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unitedfan6191 OP t1_iuk3ga2 wrote

But the animals aren’t The goat; more a goat. Goats are are cool and important animals, but the meaning is very different.

I do think, though, that if you call someone the goat, then you probably would lose some dignity if the person you call the goat isn’t at least worthy of being in the discussion of who is the goat.

A lot of goat mentions.😉

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unitedfan6191 OP t1_iuk1lso wrote

It’s kind of like the people who watch a bad movie and say it felt like “physical torture” to them or the people who say they would “literally” rather harm themselves very violently like stabbing themselves than do something they find incredibly boring or do something with someone they don’t like or respect. I’m like, no you wouldn’t literally do that, but I get that it’s just an expression.

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