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Tor451 t1_jadyneh wrote

Reply to comment by Maleficent_Quiet_561 in What the pandemic ruined more than we actually realise? by Ok_Kiwi9847

Very true. That people trusted big Pharma and masks is something I never thought I would see

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Maleficent_Quiet_561 t1_jae4jo7 wrote

And there we go.

So all the people outside of America who have their own health departments and their own experts... trusted America big pharma?

And of course the evil govt of every country told us to wear masks just to exercise their dominance, right????

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Tor451 t1_jae4ww9 wrote

This makes no sense, can you try to explain this in a different way?
I don't have data on other countries and organization like the WHO are primarily funded by America

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Maleficent_Quiet_561 t1_jae6h4e wrote

Omg. You claim people trusted big pharma... so you honestly think the entire world simply did whatever the America health industry asked them to do?

So by that logic... every single nations independent health departments and scientists/ experts who devoted their entire lifes to their career just decided to do the bidding of WHO and big pharma?

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Tor451 t1_jae6qmr wrote

I have no idea what you are ranting about. It seems like you are saying "other countries did something that means everything the Trump administration did was correct" That's just silly

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Maleficent_Quiet_561 t1_jaeahah wrote

You must be trolling.

I will try and simplify this again, hopefully your one braincell can understand it this time.

Your dumbass said big pharma lied to everyone... i said thats dumb as fuck because it assumes that every other country, for some reason, was following big pharmas lead. Understand now you fucking idiot?

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Tor451 t1_jaean3i wrote

Ahh, you must feel like insulting me makes you correct. Lol

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Maleficent_Quiet_561 t1_jaeuuek wrote

Oh how predictable... making some insanely stupid assertion then refuse to elaborate and then fail to respond when i prove you wrong.

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Double_Stuffd_Whoreo t1_jae02jl wrote

You think you’re smart, so I guess that’s what’s important!

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Tor451 t1_jae3mfx wrote

I don't think I am smart. I just know I got lied to by big Pharma and Trump

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Double_Stuffd_Whoreo t1_jae40i0 wrote

Your autocorrect must have changed “masks” to “Trump”

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Tor451 t1_jae4py1 wrote

Nope, Trump is the reason for all this

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Double_Stuffd_Whoreo t1_jae4w5i wrote

So you’re good with masks, but not Trump

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Tor451 t1_jae5dta wrote

I apologize for confusing you. The way masking was done in America was counterproductive and damaged sociaty.

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Double_Stuffd_Whoreo t1_jaea0j4 wrote

You’re surprised that people trusted masks (from your first comment), but now you think the way masking was done was counterproductive? How do you reconcile these two points?

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Tor451 t1_jaeaj49 wrote

I am surprised people blindly trusted masking as being productive even after Fauci said not to trust masks then flip flopped on it, I am surprised people trusted masking without evidence of it working

It was counterproductive because people had a false sense of security when wearing masks just for starters.

It's logically consistent so I have no idea what your issue is

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Double_Stuffd_Whoreo t1_jaeb0fc wrote

Fauci’s statement early on in the pandemic was to avoid a mask shortage for healthcare workers. Not that you care about the details, but that was well documented. Time went on, the mask supply changed, ergo advice from the CDC changed.

I do agree with you that the half-assed attempt to mask (as well as social distance and vaccinate) in America cost lives.

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Tor451 t1_jaebdrk wrote

There was never a shortage on cloth masks.

Facts do matter to me. Fauci lied. Are you saying he was justified in lying to the public?

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Double_Stuffd_Whoreo t1_jaecbwx wrote

There’s no point to continue arguing this - it has been debunked and settled. I know it’s tough to accept that a changing pandemic resulted in changing guidance from the CDC, but to expect things to always be the same is simply rigid, black and white thinking.

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Tor451 t1_jaeedss wrote

Debunked now? Lol I expect experts who claim to represent science, like Fauci did, to have some type of scientific evidence to back up their changing guidelines. I expect them to be honest with us, to not say one thing publicly then another privately.

If he believed masks worked then he should tell us. If he wanted medical professionals to have them and was concerned about supply he should have done what my governor did, tell us to donate medical grade masks and use cloth masks.

Masks did not work. We know that now. We need a to accept where we were wrong and move on I was wrong about masks too. I was lied to and I was wrong because I believed those lies instead of fact checking Millions of people wore dirty masks because of a shortage , how many were harmed by that?
At work I am to change my filters every 8 hours. Those are the guidelines. Did they ever tell us to do that? Nope, they said "wear two instead"

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Double_Stuffd_Whoreo t1_jaef6vh wrote

Yup, the claim that Fauci said “masks don’t work” was grasped onto and used as political fuel for Trump’s supporters and his conspiracy-minded friends in the media.

Two questions:

Search mask effectiveness for covid - the CDC and Mayo are among the top results, both of which still recommend mask usage (including data) for reducing the contraction/transmission of covid. This directly contradicts your view. What do you make of that?

How would you have liked the mask policy to be handled in America?

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Tor451 t1_jaefm3f wrote

Mask only if you have symptoms. High quality masks for those who need them like immune compromised

There was a conspiracy , maybe we should admit that. We got lied to and Trump was in charge.

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Double_Stuffd_Whoreo t1_jaefz9s wrote

Edited my comment with a couple questions.

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Tor451 t1_jaegc27 wrote

I answered one, I have no idea what you are talking about with the Mayo clinic, link the study of you want m to see it

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Maleficent_Quiet_561 t1_jae4nsm wrote

Yes trump lied when he said it was a hoax. Agreed.

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Tor451 t1_jae52lm wrote

That never happened, I dislike Trump a lot and think he is a criminal but it never ceases to amaze me how the left feels the compulsion to lie about Trump

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Maleficent_Quiet_561 t1_jae63et wrote

"Now, the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus… this is their new hoax."

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Tor451 t1_jae6gqf wrote

Yup, he was calling the reaction of the Democrats a hoax. At the same time he was doing a million other things that showed he considered it an emergency. Trump is an idiot who speaks like an idiot. Twisting the stupid stuff he says is counterproductive. I don't care about it. There are so many things he did wrong that we don't need to make stuff up.

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