>So we're supposed to remove parents rights as a whole because crazy people exist? I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. It is possible to believe the fact the moon landing happened AND want to retain control of your child's education.

Its not removing parental rights.. you are confused here, the parents like I stated before have the right to pull their kids from classes and send them to a private school of thier choosing, home school them, or have them excused from the class at their own kids detriment. It’s indeed a strong argument because we have a segment of the population who as of late has taken a very anti intellectualism stance. Well at least this is what their leaders and media is telling them they should believe. It’s easy to see why, uneducated masses are easier to control, than those who are educated. Furthermore education is one of the easiest ways to improve ones socioeconomic status, and it creates more competition for the“elites” of our society, as well an educated society start to challenge those ruling classes, especially the status quo that they handed down to the lower classes to accept.

>And yet our tax dollars fund health care for the morbidly obese and drug abuse and yet at least one of those things is being spun as a positive life style when it's objectively unhealthy. This is part of the argument against nationalized Healthcare, not just that the governement is "bad at everything". You open the door for the ability to restrict people's basic rights in the name of "my tax dollars".

Yes let’s act like 1. Health classe and PE aren’t a thing.. or 2. That some problems take more than education to fix. Like you can tell folks all day till you are blue in the face that garbage food is bad for you.. but when they live in food deserts, or the price of healthier options makes those options unreasonable.. well then garbage is better than starvation. N addition there are some people due to genetic factors that really can’t control how they look, as well seeing how the vast majority of Americans are obese, probably not healthy to stigmatize being overweight. And when it comes to how tax dollars are spent, you can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Will they get everything right 100% of the time, no, will mistakes be made, yes, should this paralyze us into inaction, or show that the government is ill equipped to handle things they have been doing for over a century now, absolutely not.

>Well, that's more so a libertarian view than a conservative one, although the line has been picked up within conservatism in some circles. For instance someone who isn't a through and through libertarian could still be conservative but concede things such as public service departments (police, fire, ems, and yes education) are needed and provide a net positive to society.

Libertarians are just edgy republicans, who want to have all the same stupid economic policy, and anti regulatory horse shit but also want to cast off all the social hang ups that come with being a conservative so they can smoke weed. Personally, I think they are the worst.

>>For instance someone who isn't a through and through libertarian could still be conservative but concede things such as public service departments (police, fire, ems, and yes education) are needed and provide a net positive to society.

This person wouldn’t be a libertarian.. or a good one at that then.

>While it is reasonable to believe the so called experts are more equipped to teach, it doesn't mean they are more equipped to decide what is taught.

How so? And like individual parents are?!

>The board of Ed is usually selected by vote by the community. If they aren't listening to what the community wants then they should be removed. It's the same point with an extra layer of the community, and yes, the parents, being able to decide what's in thier child's school.

I mean why do you hate democracy then? Like literally you just explained the beauty of the system. Parents can always decide what’s best for their children, like I said now there are a multitude of alternatives for people to fuck up their kids on their own.

>The problem with your thought here is that it isn't YOUR school. You are not the only one funding it. There are other people who have different beliefs than you and are also funding it. Our society deeming something as needed education is in fact an opinion, more so your opinion right now. Part of being in a civilized society is living with those that don't agree with you. Judging by your tone in an otherwise civil discussion, it seems this is a point that needs reiterating.

OK… then get together with other like minded folks, and try and influence the system then, if there’s enough of you, you can take on the burden of deeming what’s fit for our children to learn.. if not, welp, hate to tell ya democracy is sort of a majority rule thing, for better or worse. I’m civil it’s just annoying as fuck when people get bent out of shape for the stupidest of thing.. who honestly cares kids are learning this, what puritanical nonesense would lead one to believe it’s not healthy for kids to understand the basics about these things?

>The lessons themselves are opinionated. People are allowed to practice religious beliefs and pass those onto thier families, despite the fact you don't like it. That includes thibgs that are taught as safe sex practices. I dont necessarily agree with all those viewpoints, but I understand it's fundamental to the existence of a free country.

How is it opinionated? Please explain how teaching kids this stuff is open to opinion? Also aren’t saying nope this isn’t right also an opinion? I don’t give a shit if you want to teach your kids pre medieval theology or that the earth is the center of the universe, that’s up to you, but if your children are going to go to a publicly funded institution of learning they are going to receive lessons on what society has deemed as necessary and appropriate. What they or you do with that information after the fact is up to you and them.

>If parents can't choose what's going on in thier schools that they also pay for how is that the removal of rights? Unless of course you're suggesting we should not mandate the funding for non use of the education system?

If a majority of parents have a problem with it they can change it… until such time, this isn’t a minority rule thing. Our children shouldn’t be denied a well rounded education cause YOU have hang ups around sexs. Nah, tax money should go to public institutions if you don’t like that send your kids to private school on your own dime, or educated them at home.