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deceptacle1980 t1_j5osser wrote

Reply to comment by Nintom64 in New Haven Board of Ed. security officer fires gun at teen who was breaking into his car: PD by EasyE0287

How so? What you are suggesting is what the state did: stop punishing teens for crimes. And what happened? Teens commit crimes but with a sense superiority because they know nothing will happen to them, legally anyway. Perhaps a few ventilated teenagers will change that.

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Nintom64 t1_j5p4w60 wrote

Yea that’s not true. Kids aren’t breaking into cars because they think nothing will happen. The consequences aren’t even a thought in their head at that moment. Reducing punishments is the first step, but the root cause is poverty, food/housing insecurity.

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deceptacle1980 t1_j5p74m2 wrote

So when suburban kids do this garbage it’s because the root cause is poverty, food/housing insecurity? Or is it only the root cause when it is committed by an urban dweller? You don’t think some kids are just piece of shit thieves? That could never be an option?

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Nintom64 t1_j5p8szp wrote

The reality is most crime comes from the cities and poorer areas, into more wealthier areas.

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deceptacle1980 t1_j5p900a wrote

And your suggestion is to just let it go?

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Nintom64 t1_j5pan1l wrote

Lol no and I never said that. My solution is to fund programs and keep these kids OUT of trouble. Can’t punish a crime if no crimes are being committed!

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deceptacle1980 t1_j5pbmii wrote

Oh you’re going to end crime? I didn’t know. It’s been such a long time. Thanks. In which branch of Us state government are you in to enact these legislative miracles?

I did a lot of volunteer work in the late 90s/2000s, up until about 2009. I repainted the the Boys and Girls club years ago and other odds and ends when it was behind the North End prison. I worked with PAL. A lot of stuff. Believe me, you’re not ending crime anytime soon. Not by throwing them in jail, not by ignoring it, not by advocating that the criminal is the victim. But remain in your fantasy if that’s what keeps you comfortable

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Nintom64 t1_j5pc09e wrote

What a toxic and childish attitude. A better world is possible, but not with an attitude like that!

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deceptacle1980 t1_j5pcm4t wrote

You’re demanding others get stolen from and just deal with it for now until we can find a solution that may not even exist. I’d rather protect myself, my family, and the neighborhood kids from you than the criminals jacking cars. They can be rehabilitated or put in a position to learn a lesson, positively or negatively sometimes. Your mentality is far more damaging and dangerous.

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Nintom64 t1_j5pd8ss wrote

There we go! You figured it out all on your own. Let’s move towards rehabilitation, rather than punishment 😊 glad you agree.

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deceptacle1980 t1_j5pdxx1 wrote

We don’t agree. These kids need punishments for the crimes. They can be “rehabilitated” but not without consequences. You seem to advocating for no consequences. To just let them steal, rob, without the fear of ever facing consequences. Which is far more damaging. There is help for the kids doing this. But not for you.

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deceptacle1980 t1_j5p6ocv wrote

What’s not true? The consequences and punishments for the teenagers were basically abandoned for fear of being racist and the car break ins and property crime spiked? That part? These kids, while dumb, know this. They understand they’re not gonna face much from the legal system so there is no real deterrent. Now, if they start thinking they’re going to face retribution from the person they’re stealing from they’ll either stop and think or escalate. By removing the legal repercussions, the state put you and I in the uncomfortable position of either “should I let them just take it and spend weeks/months haggling with insurance companies or just go spend the dollar amount to buy new shit” or “I’ll just end it right here, thanks.”

Idk about you but I also have to feed my family and myself. I’m not rich by any means. Do you really think people are going to adopt that mindset of just allowing their belongings to stolen so some shithead teenager can go buy some insert racial stereotype item here? Seriously

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Nintom64 t1_j5p8znw wrote

Yikes can’t help you there. The reality is increasing punishments have been proven over and over again to lead to increases in crime and recidivism.

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deceptacle1980 t1_j5p9ph7 wrote

So not prosecuting anything is the solution and telling people such as the guy pictured “don’t you fucking dare do anything about it”? I don’t think this is going to have the effects you’re absolute sure it will. Should we stop prosecuting home invasion because the rate of recidivism is high? I mean, they’re just taking stuff that can replaced, right? Who cares if people have to live in fear of having their cars and homes broken into so someone else can have a nice hot meal and feel secure. Am I understanding you correctly?

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Nintom64 t1_j5pay8p wrote

Ask yourself: what causes crime? What leads someone to break into a home or car? There are also many different kinds of rehabilitative justice that are more effective than locking someone in jail and throwing away the key.

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deceptacle1980 t1_j5pc1tu wrote

What causes crime? Like societal factors or malignant narcissism, anti social personality disorder, etc. Are you suggesting this is race based or income based, or what? It sounds like you have a victim mentality that you project onto others. You may not be committing crimes but the people that do are victims?

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