The sea cliffs of Moloka’i Hawaii [OC] [6003 x 4007]Submitted by crankyape1534 t3_10ny5ui in EarthPorn
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6cha3z wrote
Reply to comment by james___uk in The sea cliffs of Moloka’i Hawaii [OC] [6003 x 4007] by crankyape1534
Nope that's in Milford Sound, New Zealand. Mitre Peak, summit to sea, 1,683m. The Kalaupapa cliffs of Hawai'i are just over 1,000m
james___uk t1_j6ciljp wrote
Oh wow, I was misinformed! Another reason I want to visit Milford Sound
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6cjjhi wrote
We look forward to having you here :)
The Hawaiians like to claim they have the biggest, but by any definition of a cliff, ours is one! And it's much taller haha
james___uk t1_j6dut0a wrote
Aw thanks! No where on earth I'd love to visit more. Maybe someday in some strange scenario
Charlatangle t1_j6cr16u wrote
It's not the Hawaiians, it's the Americans as a whole. They're lied to incessantly so it's not their fault or anything, but oneupsmanship is the national sport over there.
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6cs60g wrote
I mean yeah I guess, but it's really only in the interests of the tour companies that are trying to get people to visit there to have that info spread. And the million websites that are trying to make a buck off repeating info with no checking
I didn't mean native Hawaiians for the record
Greater Polynesian solidarity
crankyape1534 OP t1_j6d4q9m wrote
I’ve been to and seen both. Both are breathtaking.
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6eejr0 wrote
Not denying it! There isn't really a need to compare them as they are both stunning in their own right. I was just correcting a bit of misinformation. Awesome photo by the way
crankyape1534 OP t1_j6ei0o1 wrote
I have to say though. Having visited Milford sound. It left me feeling I’d visited another world entirely. I also happened to be there during near record rains and saw tens of thousands of waterfalls and the cliffs were a web of water.
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6ejibz wrote
Awesome! Glad you saw it in the rain, we're in a real drought at the moment and it just isn't the same place!!
When did you visit?
crankyape1534 OP t1_j6ekrax wrote
I visited in march of 2019. Did 2 weeks on the north island and 3 on the south. One of my favorite places on earth. NZ
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6enhng wrote
Awesome! Hope I can make it to Hawai'i some day
crankyape1534 OP t1_j6ev844 wrote
From Christchurch back to Hawaii at the time it was 11 hr trip total and was $450 US each way. At the time.
buccsmf1 t1_j6cz8fi wrote
Literally every reference lists Hawaii…
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6eedpk wrote
And yet they are not.
The cliffs that all these articles (travel aggregate sites are not good references lol) are talking about are 1,010m high with an average gradient of 55°. The eastern face of Mitre Peak is 1,683m high with an average gradient of 60°. So it is not only taller but steeper as well.
Sorry but they're all wrong. Doesn't matter how many times something is repeated, it doesn't get more correct just because more people say it.
buccsmf1 t1_j6ehexl wrote
Except the ones you keep mentioning are located in a sound. Not at the sea. Which is why literally every reference lists the cliffs in Hawaii as the highest SEA cliffs.
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6ej762 wrote
It's actually a fjord, not a sound, but either way it doesn't matter because both sounds and fjords and connected to the sea. The water it falls into is the sea. By this logic we might as well rule out the Moloka'i cliffs because they fall into a bay and not the sea.
slugator t1_j6edoeu wrote
Mitre Peak is a large mountain with a large cliff face. But the cliff face doesn’t reach to the summit. Mitre peak’s summit is taller than the Molokai/Kalaupapa cliff faces, but Molokai’s cliff face is taller than Mitre Peak’s cliff face.
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6eiapt wrote
The entire east side of the mountain is a cliff face from the summit to the sea, it has an average inclination of 60°
The tallest cliffs on Moloka'i (the ones in OP's photo) are 1,013m high with an average inclination of 55°
Mitre Peak's eastern face is both taller and steeper than those in Moloka'i.
PA2SK t1_j6eenb4 wrote
Every source says molokai has the highest sea cliffs in the world. Mitre Peak is higher but maybe more of a peak than a sea cliff?
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6eiy26 wrote
The inclination from the summit of Mitre Peak to the sea is steeper than the cliffs in Moloka'i. The Moloka'i cliffs are also a summit, they're from a mountain that falls into the sea, same as Mitre Peak. There's really no metric that says Moloka'i is a sea cliff and Mitre Peak isn't. Mitre Peak is taller, and steeper.
PA2SK t1_j6ek114 wrote
I'm not going to get pulled in to a debate about what counts as a "sea cliff". This sounds like one of those things where among the locals in Milford Sound it's an accepted truth that their Mitre Peak is the highest sea cliff in the world, but literally everyone else in the world, including lots of smart geologists, says it's the sea cliffs at molokai. You live your truth, the rest of us will live ours.
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6emc3k wrote
The smart geologists being... Who?
PA2SK t1_j6entf2 wrote
All of them as far as I can tell.
KiwieeiwiK t1_j6enwee wrote
Can you name any? Or a source to any? By the sound of it you've found quite a few
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