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Gubekochi t1_jdzrbiq wrote

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First: all rights are made up. Second some country have it in there constitution that healthcare is one of the right enjoyed by their citizens. So that's that. You being ignorant about them doesn't change the facts and reality of how people live. You may not like it but this is what peak human rights look like.

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dickinsauce t1_je31w2j wrote

Lmao, did you intentionally use the the meme format of “you may not like it but this is what peak ____ looks like?” Cause If yes, very funny. If not, then you may have the brain worms.

Please find me a constitution with healthcare as a “right”. I just looked and couldn’t find one. I’m sure you will provide me a list of countries that provide free healthcare, which again does not mean it’s a right.

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Gubekochi t1_je3gbaz wrote

I don't see how your ignorance/google ineptitude really has anything to do with me... and why I should be given homework to compensate for your apparent lazyness... so I'll give you the first result on my google research:

>Article 36 (3) of our Constitution emphasizes the obligation to protect the national health of the nation by stipulating that “all citizens are protected by the state in relation to health.” This means that the right to health as a social fundamental right is the most important aspect of health rights.

That would be S. Korea.

Also, (bonus down the google research) the EU Charter of Fundamental rights has it so Citizens of any European country that recognize that Charter as valid would have a right to health care even if their country doesn't specify it in it's own constitution. So there's that too.

Lastly, it was an intentional use of the meme, but IF I had brain worms, I could get my head checked for free since I don't live in a third world country.

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dickinsauce t1_je8hulc wrote

A+ on your homework and your sense of humor than. On time too!

Good to know thanks. You’re right then.

My point, which I think intersects with your other comment is that a right is something inherent. In my opinion a right is something you “have” from the moment you’re birthed. The list of those rights is extremely small.

Governments can give you other rights like we have in the US. My bet was that while they’ve nationalized healthcare in many countries, they wouldn’t list it as a right. Because in my mind, that means no refusal of service no matter the procedure/ailment. As mentioned I was wrong.

But I stick to my point that healthcare is a product and the only nuance is who is paying.

Boiling it down if we go into the apocalypse tonight and a baby is born in the woods of South Korea tomorrow, no one is going to stop everything theyre doing for themselves to survive in order to go to tend to the baby. But the babies right to pursue happiness, live freely, and speak whatever it wants to speak (once able) still will be there.

That’s how I view a right

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Gubekochi t1_jecbelj wrote

>But I stick to my point that healthcare is a product and the only nuance is who is paying.

We also have a right to a certain amount of security. That's why countries have armies and police forces. Those (ideally/theoretically) exist for defence and to maintain orders so citizens can pursue happiness and not get raided by hordes of barbarians or assaulted or what have you. That's what government are supposed to exist for. As a society we decide that something is important for everyone, we put our money in a big pool and we use the pool to ensure that the underlying right is secured.

It works for the army and the police in the US, it also works for healthcare elsewhere.

Of course it's not free and someone pays for it. Same as roads and fire stations. You don't pay when you need them, they're paid for from taxes because they help society function (and healthy citizenry can be argued to also do that).

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dickinsauce t1_je320ip wrote

Also, “rights are made up”. K so saying healthcare is a right is a made up meaningless statement? Just confusing

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Gubekochi t1_je3f1dc wrote

Justice is made up. Good and evil is made up. Those are all concepts that mean different things to different people from different time and culture. It means what it means.

When I say something is a right, it is meant as "in a proper society, it should be treated with the same importance we give to other rights".

Nothing has inherent meaning. Meaning is something we construct to not go insane from a meaningless universe because our brain has evolved to recognize patterns as a way to improve our chances of survival and has gotten too good at it for our own comfort.

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