berlinparisexpress OP t1_jbpopwo wrote on March 10, 2023 at 7:33 PM

> It's going to come with strings attached to keep people in line.

Unlike the current situation..? I mean, people have to be "in line" with their company to keep a roof over their head.

GoodbyeCOI t1_jbpp2sh wrote on March 10, 2023 at 7:35 PM

Not if you're an entrepreneur or into modern homestead living.

Knowing people could buy and use drugs with it would you be in favor of mandatory monthly drug testing for illegal substances?

Not talking pot or alcohol where that's legal...hard drugs. This debate already exists with welfare.

Iffykindofguy t1_jbptqm8 wrote on March 10, 2023 at 8:05 PM

No, its stupid and projecting. Just because youre lazy doesnt mean the rest of us are.

GoodbyeCOI t1_jbpug25 wrote on March 10, 2023 at 8:10 PM

It's called the free rider problem and it has always been a central concern in the study of economics and public goods.

It's not projection...it's a genuine problem in economics that economists have tried to address since forever.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem

This one too:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

Any discussion of UBI has to confront these issues.

I wish I had UBI to relax. I haven't taken PTO since April 1st last year. Way to use adhomenim and contribute nothing of value to a very high level intellectual topic.

Iffykindofguy t1_jbq3llm wrote on March 10, 2023 at 9:10 PM

Brother all these arguments are just made up from the same group of people. You keep falling for their same shit. I bet you believe their wealth will trickle down one day too! And just because you clocked in for almost a year doesnt mean youre not lazy.

GoodbyeCOI t1_jbq5jv0 wrote on March 10, 2023 at 9:23 PM

Acting like $700 a month will fix everything in our economic model is foolish.

What good is UBI when people can still go bankrupt when they get sick?

Universal healthcare is a better deal.

Pretending that UBI will unleash some form of utopian society is far too optimistic given the level of economic inequality we are seeing.

You haven't explained why I'm wrong...and in fact you look foolish calling me lazy.

Here's why:

Say I am lazy...what measures will be put in place for people like me who will use UBI to smoke and fuck all day?

People already sell EBT for drug money in an underground economy. Do you think the government (which has already locked us down and tried to force vaccine mandates) will just give me free money without some form of control or regulatory framework to prevent abuse?

Look at the abuse and fraud in the PPP program...you think they're gonna repeat those same mistakes without some form of control like blockchain or a CBDC system that tracks every transaction with the capability to audit and inspect on the level of an electron microscope?

All I'm saying is that UBI will come with strings attached and serious controls to prevent abuse and the free rider problem.

To expect the government to give people free money with no strings attached is asinine...

Iffykindofguy t1_jbq6i78 wrote on March 10, 2023 at 9:29 PM

Im not reading all that since you started out with nonsense. Stop lying, stop going to extremes to try to make a point, then come back.

GoodbyeCOI t1_jbq6x0x wrote on March 10, 2023 at 9:32 PM

It's not nonsense. If people sell EBT for drug money outside the system you should expect the government to enforce controls on who gets UBI and how they can use it.

Social credit scores, no outstanding taxes, no warrants...etc.

If you think the government is just gonna give free shit with no strings attached you're fooling yourself.

Iffykindofguy t1_jbqn0kl wrote on March 10, 2023 at 11:24 PM

Again, where did I say any of that? Just running with so many assumptions

With a universal income, will we stop working?

berlinparisexpress OP t1_jbpmvg4 wrote on March 10, 2023 at 7:20 PM

GoodbyeCOI t1_jbpoerh wrote on March 10, 2023 at 7:30 PM