miklosp t1_iuhdytv wrote
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Agree. And we're talking about how to get to a sustainable energy production in the future. Denying where we're currently and what's needed in the future won't help us.
Surur t1_iuhehrx wrote
>Denying where we're currently
So this was simply a lie.
> The simple and sad fact is battery technology isn’t improving that much;
I have no idea what you think you are defending. /u/Lord_Snowfall was simply wrong. In every point.
Let me break it down for you:
> Which isn’t an advancement in the technology.
This is a lie, since the fall in storage is largely due to LFP batteries, a new battery technology.
> The simple and sad fact is battery technology isn’t improving that much; and while people like to pretend it’s all renewable batteries aren’t
This is a lie, since the elements in batteries can be completely recycled and re-used. LFP batteries are constantly improving, such that 50% of new teslas are currently powered by them. This is due to improved power density.
> In fact the minerals are quite finite and China is the source for a lot of them.
Another lie. Lithium is abundant, and come from all over the world, mainly Australia and south America, currently, but potentially even USA.
So why are you supporting somewhat so ignorant?
Lord_Snowfall t1_iuhl6rs wrote
No; you pretending the tech has improved massively doesn’t make it true.
Lithium Phosphate Batteries are less energy dense than traditional Lithium-Ion batteries using other methods; and since we’re talking about them being used on scale as a reliable solution (I.E. being very energy dense and able to easily store mass amounts of power) being less energy dense is not an advancement.
No; the components cannot be completely recycled. In fact Lithium is considered non-renewable which is why we’re looking at things like Sodium Batteries. Even more importantly the parts that are recyclable don’t matter when they’re never recycled.
And no
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6433301
https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-news/expert-warns-china-calling-shots-ev-battery-materials
The materials do not simple come from all over the world and “mainly Australia and South America” they come mainly from China who, unlike the rest of the world, has actually built up the industry and capacity for it. And the materials they don’t source locally mainly go to China. Ignorance is pretending China isn’t dominating the game in batteries just because it’s an inconvenient fact.
Surur t1_iuhqybd wrote
> Lithium Phosphate Batteries are less energy dense
We are talking about stationary storage, so density does not matter much. If you don't understand this, what else don't you understand?
> No; the components cannot be completely recycled. In fact Lithium is considered non-renewable
Low, WTF?
> The researchers found that batteries they made with their new cathode-recycling technique perform just as well as those with a cathode made from scratch. In fact, batteries with the recycled cathode both last longer and charge faster.
> The materials do not simple come from all over the world and “mainly Australia and South America” they come mainly from China
You obviously have a major Dunning-Keurig effect going on, so further conversation with you will only be a waste of time.
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