Submitted by redingerforcongress t3_ydo0xd in Futurology
HerbHurtHoover t1_itw98vu wrote
Reply to comment by Keeperofthe7keysAf-S in Move over, diesel: Ohio gets ‘first of its kind’ renewable gas station by redingerforcongress
Holy shit.
Do you actually believe all that manure just naturally exists?
I swear, you are either stone cold stupid or avoiding the issue.
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itwad3m wrote
So you honestly believe that cows just conjure those atoms into existence lol?
You are stone cold stupid, no avoiding that issue.
HerbHurtHoover t1_itwhdkn wrote
.... buddy.....
Why do you thunk there are so many cows....
You can't be that stupid.....
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itwhvrd wrote
.... buddy.....
where do you think cows get all that carbon?
You evidently are that stupid.
HerbHurtHoover t1_itwmxtx wrote
So, to sum up, you are unable to just admit that the methane comes from an unnecessary source that can be eliminated without burning more carbon, are doggedly insisting that its carbon neutral when its not, and seem to think your misunderstanding of the carbon cycle is a gotcha.
Dude, just give it up.
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itwniyh wrote
So, to sum it up, you are just unable to admit that you have zero understanding of biochemistry and the carbon cycle and are going to continue insisting that cows are magic matter generators because adjusting your position to the science would mean changing your worldview, so it's easier for you to maintain cognitive dissonance and call the other person stupid than to think too hard about it.
Just give it up, you were never attempting in argue in good faith or cared about having a real understanding of the process.
HerbHurtHoover t1_itwo98x wrote
My god.
Ok, i guess i have to spell it out for you:
The manure comes from the meat and dairy industry. Its not natural. Its industrial waste. We can eliminate that source. You have to pretend i..... think cows magically materialize matter.... because I already explained to you that carbon cycle isn't that simple and you can't wrap your head around that.
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itwt6gg wrote
WHERE DO COWS GET THAT CARBON THEN HOOVER? HUH? Do you think because we farm them they magically make more?
No of course not, that's ridiculous, they get it from the plants they eat, which get it from the atmosphere. Why can't you wrap your head around that? You want to argue about our unsustainable farming practices and our need to address that? yeah okay, I agree, does that magically make cows make more carbon atoms? No, so stop being ridiculous.
That CO2 existed, in the atmosphere already, it was sequestered by plants, and would have, in one way or another, through biological decay, ended up back in the atmosphere as carbon after spending some time as methane.
All we're doing here is capturing some of that methane from waste, skipping the 20 years it would have spent as an 80x more potent greenhouse gas than the CO2 it will end up as in the atmosphere anyways.
No new carbon is added here. If you think there is, you think somewhere along this process new carbon atoms came into existence, they did not.
Pretending otherwise, and that converting it back into CO2 sooner isn't better than leaving it as methane releasing into the atmosphere at 80x potency, and burning a fossil fuel that is adding new carbon, is simply science denial.
You CANNOT eliminate that CO2 or methane, which is already in the environment, simply by not raising cattle. It's still there, you didn't eliminate squat. The source IS THE ATMOSPHERE.
Is that spelled out enough for you, or are you going to keep repeating the same nonsense, learn nothing, and angrily shake your fist at the sky because the real world isn't what you think it should be?
HerbHurtHoover t1_itwx3fm wrote
Holy shit.
My guy.
If you don't breed the cows they don't produce methane.
The two choices aren't in the atmosphere or in the cows.
The actual fuck is going on inside your brain.
The concentration of carbon also isn't the problem. The volume of greenhouse gasses is the problem. And methane is way worse than co2 as a greenhouse gas.
You are actually braindead..... you have no clue how any of this works and apparently think you do which is worrying....
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itwxmx9 wrote
> If you don't breed the cows they don't produce methane.
Right, but that methane still gets produced from the biomatter decay that otherwise still occurs, or if you want to go the route of crops we raise to feed the cattle, the CO2 is still in the atmosphere in the first place.
> The two choices aren't in the atmosphere or in the cows.
One of the choices isn't doesn't exist though. That carbon is going to still be in the atmosphere, be sequestered by plants, that goes into other food sources for humans, because people still gotta eat and you need to replace the cows with something, and that's still going to end up back in the atmosphere.
> The actual fuck is going on inside your brain.
Uh, Science, reality, What's going on in yours? blind hatred of cows?
HerbHurtHoover t1_itwzfhy wrote
No..... it doesn't.....
The methane comes specifically from the manure made by the cows.
It doesn't just magically exist otherwise.
Its truly mind boggling you are still going. You're argument is that no matter what the same amount of methane is always going to be produced.
If you use, ie, plant based substitutes, then all that extra methane from the cows is gone. It doesn't magically happen elsewhere, it is a source that doesn't exist anymore.
How are you this dumb. You aren't using science you are making absolutely herculean acts of moon logic.
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itx041b wrote
Do I need to draw you a diagram?
You're the one arguing that new carbon is somehow conjured into existence, and also somehow that not converting methane into the CO2 it will eventually become anyways is somehow better than letting it exist as an 80x more potent greenhouse gas for the 20 years it takes to decay.
>If you use, ie, plant based substitutes, then all that extra methane from the cows is gone.
No, it isn't, decay from the waste products still happens, you still produce methane and CO2 as waste from metabolizing. That carbon doesn't just cease to exist.
>How are you this dumb. You aren't using science you are making absolutely herculean acts of moon logic.
You, expect no logic can be found.
HerbHurtHoover t1_itx5ctw wrote
Oh.
My.
God.
If. You. Don't. Breed. The. Cows. That. Methane. Doesn't. Get. Produced.
Period.
There is no other matter that decays into methane.
Also "carbon conjured from nothing"???? What on earth are you talking about????
Like, seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you.
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itx8oha wrote
You couldn't be more wrong lol. You realize a lot of this methane capture we do is from landfills right? bacteria in tons of organisms and the decay there of, produce methane. It isn't unique to cows. How do you think all that natural gas was produced before there were cows exactly?
And I will once again point out that, concern about an increase in methane that exists at the same time, although it will also decay back into CO2 at the same rate, is an argument for not against burning it to convert it back to the CO2 it was and will reenter the atmosphere as even if we didn't do anything. However, this will skip the 20 years it would take to naturally decay to CO2 and H2O.
> Also "carbon conjured from nothing"???? What on earth are you talking about????
You keep insisting cows somehow add carbon but they don't. They, like all other animals, get their carbon from plant or other animal sources which, ultimately, get it from the atmosphere. No new carbon is introduced in this process yet you insist otherwise as if it just spawns into existence.
HerbHurtHoover t1_itx9f9t wrote
Uh..... ok? We are talking about the meat industry.... why are you talking about landfills....
You are insane, you know that?
I also never said cows add new carbon to the world. I said that the cycle is not carbon neutral. There is a net addition of greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere.
Please, go get checked out. Im not replying to anymore of your batshit responses.
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itxb1jm wrote
>Uh..... ok? We are talking about the meat industry.... why are you talking about landfills....
No, we're talking about capturing methane from waste to burn as fuel, thereby preventing it's otherwise release into the atmosphere and it is carbon neutral despite emitting CO2 because that carbon came from and would decay back into CO2 anyways, so no new carbon is being produced.
>You are insane, you know that?
What do you call yourself repeating the same nonsense in total denial of any scientific reality?
>I also never said cows add new carbon to the world.
Yes you did, multiple times, it's all there in the scrollback.
Your responses have been nothing but batshit and literally advocating for more harm simply because you don't understand the biochemistry here.
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