Submitted by aRationalMoose t3_yvw6yw in Futurology
AlexHanson007 t1_iwgb709 wrote
Reply to comment by aRationalMoose in A rare reason for optimism about climate change by aRationalMoose
Question. There was a big drop in emissions during the pandemic. Is that the primary driver for this reduction over the last decade or is the signal still strong when you exclude those edge cases?
kalimabitch t1_iwgcb0b wrote
It is. Funding of clean energy is taking everything in a new direction. Is it still too slow for now? Yes. But we have without a doubt avoided apocalyptic warming.
Not that many of the geniuses on this sub care, being consumed completely by misanthropy.
AlexHanson007 t1_iwgcsd6 wrote
Then it is indeed good news. It seems like at least some of the biggest polluters (billionaires) are now taking this seriously and funding advancements that can help. I just hope big asset management funds and politicians follow suit now. Feel like this COP is such an important one (obv the all are, but we've already blown past +1.5 and want to try and keep it below +3 now).
OriginalCompetitive t1_iwgveym wrote
I know we’re all required to hate billionaires, but it’s not true that they are the biggest polluters.
kalimabitch t1_iwgy1g9 wrote
Eh per individual they absolutely are. The wealthier the worse. That some of them want to course correct does not change that.
AlexHanson007 t1_iwh2907 wrote
The top 1% emit twice the total amount of emissions of the bottom half of the human race.
I'm not even hating on them here. I'm stating a fact and then saying that it's encouraging that they are realising work needs to be done and are, it would seem, putting their money where their mouth is. This is a good thing.
Gagarin1961 t1_iwh3bhu wrote
Politicians run the military, the largest polluter on the planet. Yet many see them at the solution.
Maybe things aren’t totally black and white?
oiseauvert989 t1_iwgdqhs wrote
Thats because electricity is only about 25% of our current energy needs
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The transition of the electricity sector is indeed impressive and looks likely to continue strongly.
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The transport sector is sort of doing something but is definitely way behind the electricity generating sector. eBikes are one aspect that will by the 2030s have a much higher impact than most people think, especially in developing countries where the choice was previously a very expensive to maintain moped that sits in traffic at 10mph or walking at 5mph. eCars are going well but have a lot of questions around battery materials and other limiting factors. Realistically they will not be a one2one replacement for ICEs.
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Industrial energy production is a mixed bag. Some improvements and some stagnation.
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Home heating however is making almost zero progress and uses a lot of energy. Heat pumps have received too little investment for far too long. Insulation and heat pumps knocking 75% off the worlds heating bills would be a real game changer.
____cire4____ t1_iwgnbeu wrote
Yea, I sub to r/collapse which I also enjoy, but that sub and this one sometimes feel like the same place (I actually scrolled back up before replying to make sure I wasn't already on there)
Baz_EP t1_iwgeoqz wrote
“Without a doubt”? Where is this supported by data?
kalimabitch t1_iwgwryc wrote
Without a doubt as long as we don't reverse course, it is likely to peak at 2-3 °C. Which is of course a disaster, but hardly an apocalypse. We are clearly not doing enough, and are not there yet, but signs are surprisingly hopeful considering the last decade. There are reasons to be hopeful.
Not gonna write an essay, but I show this video to kids who are feeling down. They have more in the description box.
Baz_EP t1_iwh3jr7 wrote
Ok, thanks. Good vid, but I don’t think it is “without a doubt”. Runaway warming is still a possibility if not a high probability. Too many bad actors with too much power still imv.
cornerblockakl t1_iwi79g4 wrote
No. Kalim said there is no doubt we have eliminated the possibility of apocalyptic climate change and even linked a children’s video for proof.
KraiterHolz t1_iwgmcxh wrote
CITATIONS NEEDED
kalimabitch t1_iwgxonm wrote
Here for starters, not gonna do it for you.
They have more info in their descrition box.
KraiterHolz t1_iwgyqxz wrote
Reiteration of the assertion is not proof of the assertion. And yes, when you make wild claims that "without a doubt" we've averted "apocalyptic warming", you are going to 'do it for me' or be dismissed as stooge.
kalimabitch t1_iwh06tw wrote
Soooo ignoring my link...
Ok, enjoy the unnecessary and outdated existential angst that is so trendy now!
KraiterHolz t1_iwh0dqt wrote
Nope, I watched that YouTuber video months ago.
kalimabitch t1_iwh2s3d wrote
Ok, I take it you disagree with their assesment. Fair enough!
cornerblockakl t1_iwi87o7 wrote
I think we’ve reached the bifurcation of global warming thinking. Old fogeys like you need to get on board with the new current “we’ve averted a real climate change disaster” thinking. This will be the main meme by 2030. I’ve started seeing it pop up here and there.
KraiterHolz t1_iwi8h74 wrote
If anything, we've delayed glaciation. So, sure, I can get on board with that narrative.
Z3r0sama2017 t1_iwgnq0i wrote
They really didn't drop much, only 2 billion tons and that was with manufacturing going into hibernation and lockdowns plus all that entails. That was basically the biggest thing we've ever done to combat climate change and it was basically chump change.
AlexHanson007 t1_iwgpmkl wrote
Thanks. I don't suppose you have a link to the figures at all do you? If not, I'll have a Google later (not trying to be lazy!)
kalimabitch t1_iwgya1f wrote
Not really true. Things have happened the last ten years, not just two. Like climate change itself, the resolutions will be slow and intangible. An introduction to other narratives backed by research.
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