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yaosio t1_j1n7hk7 wrote

Reply to comment by GrayBox1313 in What will cheap available AI-generated images lead to? Video? Media? Entertainment? by Hall_Pitiful

What if the AI can generate its own ideas and concepts?

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nicocos t1_j1nbw6c wrote

I think that isn't too far, every day people have been feeding prompts to this AI systems so they can recognize wich prompts get better reactions. I think this could have been a great tool, but i will be missused

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ninjasaid13 t1_j1p5wcq wrote

>missused

I'm not sure how you can misuse an art tool. The only thing I can think of that's any real danger is deepfakes.

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GrayBox1313 t1_j1n8ht2 wrote

What if. Thats pretty close to sentience and a giant leap akin to “what if machines have a soul”?

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ninjasaid13 t1_j1p5qev wrote

>Thats pretty close to sentience

you'd be surprised on how little sentience is needed to generate an idea or discover a concept.

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GrayBox1313 t1_j1p5x53 wrote

You don’t think humans are sentient?

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ninjasaid13 t1_j1p6jdv wrote

>You don’t think humans are sentient?

when did I say that? I said that AI can generate new ideas easily without sentience.

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GrayBox1313 t1_j1p79fq wrote

No, it hasn’t done that yet. It remixes existing things only after a human offers it a prompt. It does not create new things on its own. It needs others ideas fed to it. It has no point of view or need for expression.

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ninjasaid13 t1_j1p7v0k wrote

But that would be most if not all ideas right? Ideas don't form in a vacuum. Nothing new under the sun.

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GrayBox1313 t1_j1p8bfa wrote

Kind of. Artists create as a means of personal expression. Van Goghs paintings weren’t really about sunflowers and farmland and looking in a mirror. There was more stuff…stuff that an AI has no ability to think about on its own because it doesn’t have feeling, joy, empathy, humanity, trauma, desire, pain etc

If the AI thinks at all about what it’s making (i don’t Believe it can) then all it sees are brushstrokes and rendered subject. In art we call that the formal. But there is also the conceptual…which is as important

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ninjasaid13 t1_j1p8ix3 wrote

>AI has no ability to think about on its own because it doesn’t have feeling, joy, empathy, humanity, trauma, desire, pain etc

are you saying emotions are a prerequisite for sentience?

some people separate the ability to feel things like light and heat and the ability to perceive emotions in sentience.

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GrayBox1313 t1_j1p8le6 wrote

Art isn’t scientific. It’s personal expression. The artist puts their own emotion into the work. You read about Van Gogh and his inner pain is seen throughout his work.

What is the AI putting into the work? What is it expressing? What is it thinking about? What is it feeling?

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ninjasaid13 t1_j1p972k wrote

I edited my comment to reflect something else.

>Art isn’t scientific. It’s personal expression. The artist puts their own emotion into the work. You read about Van Gogh and his inner pain is seen throughout his work.

I think there's a difference in philosophy in art between us.

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