Submitted by richybacan69 t3_10n4txo in Futurology
rivenwyrm t1_j68znbc wrote
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You're free to interpret what she said according to your own understanding of things but here's my perspective:
Direct quote:
> “What we do not want is for someone to come in and say, ‘Well, obviously, the German government was right in saying that an Aryan race is superior to all other races, and therefore they were acting rightly when they murdered hundreds of thousands of people for having a different color of skin,’” Fowler Arthur said. “We believe that that is anti-American, and that it goes against everything that America stands for.First...
She demonstrates a massive lack of historical understanding: The Nazis genocided (in cold blood) at least 6 million Jews and many million other minorities, Polish people, Czechs, and other Eastern Europeans. Then she never corrects her statement when she's called out for this inaccuracy. This conversation is occurring in the context of this woman writing and cosponsoring legislation which directly impacts how the holocaust is taught in schools.
Second, Jews weren't murdered for having a different skin color, they were murdered because Hitler was an evil insane anti-semite who over time turned Germany into a genocide machine.
> “And so we want to be clear that yes, you should talk about these atrocities that have happened in history, but you also do have an obligation to point out the value that each individual brings to the table,” Fowler Arthur said. “And to encourage students to think of their peers with respect and courtesy, and appreciate them for who they are.”
This is classic Nazi apologism. First the person says something kinda tame like this. If they get no push back then the person says something like "Oh yeah and how about Rommel? What a brilliant general, he wasn't really involved in the concentration camps you know." If they don't get push back they follow it up with something like: "You know that most Germans didn't know about the concentration camps right?". If that doesn't get push back they might follow up with "If someone had just stopped Hitler it wouldn't have happened, it's all his fault you know. But he was right that Germany needed more land."And now all WWII is solely Hitler's fault somehow.
For reference of others who didn't watch the interview:
supermegaampharos t1_j69e3yq wrote
Being wrong about what Judaism is or how many people died in the Holocaust doesn’t make somebody a Nazi apologist.
Does it make them unfit to speak on that subject? Yes. Does this mean that they’re part of some Neo-Nazi shadow conspiracy to corrupt America’s youth? No it doesn’t.
You sound like you’re some chronically online guy who has nothing better to do than spam a totally unrelated subreddit about how a politician you don’t like is secretly a Nazi.
rivenwyrm t1_j69v5gc wrote
> Being wrong about what Judaism is or how many people died in the Holocaust doesn’t make somebody a Nazi apologist.
I agree. However refusing to correct the record after you're called out and instead saying some mealy mouthed BS does make you one.
> “I want to apologize for the unconscionable position that has been wrongfully attributed to me, a position that I personally find abhorrent," Fowler Arthur said. "These views are not who I am or what I believe. Period."
This is basically saying "I did nothing wrong".
However she did later correct the record but not with the actual news station or news articles, just on her facebook page:
> Just to be clear: The Nazis were evil. They murdered millions of Jews. They murdered millions of other people too, which included thousands of people of different races, many of which were German citizens of African Descent, as I mentioned in my comments.
This is a lot better than nothing but she needs to make an actual official statement, not just a facebook post. This isn't table stakes, she's an elected government official.
> Does it make them unfit to speak on that subject? Yes. Does this mean that they’re part of some Neo-Nazi shadow conspiracy to corrupt America’s youth? No it doesn’t.
Bear in mind this woman said these things in the course of campaigning to pass legislation in Ohio governing how educators discuss the Holocaust...
> You sound like you’re some chronically online guy who has nothing better to do than spam a totally unrelated subreddit about how a politician you don’t like is secretly a Nazi.
I guess that's just like... your opinion man.
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