She also did eventually post a "clarification" on facebook. IDK, why do people gotta do stupid shit like this? Anyways I think everyone can make their own call on this but if you do choose to watch his stuff keep it in mind.

Here's my opinion on the situation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/10n4txo/comment/j68z3ct/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

She did eventually post a pseudo-apology:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/10n4txo/comment/j69v5gc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

She also did eventually post a "clarification" on facebook.

Here's my opinion on the situation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/10n4txo/comment/j68z3ct/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

She did eventually post a pseudo-apology:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/10n4txo/comment/j69v5gc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

> Being wrong about what Judaism is or how many people died in the Holocaust doesn’t make somebody a Nazi apologist.

I agree. However refusing to correct the record after you're called out and instead saying some mealy mouthed BS does make you one.

> “I want to apologize for the unconscionable position that has been wrongfully attributed to me, a position that I personally find abhorrent," Fowler Arthur said. "These views are not who I am or what I believe. Period."

This is basically saying "I did nothing wrong".

However she did later correct the record but not with the actual news station or news articles, just on her facebook page:

> Just to be clear: The Nazis were evil. They murdered millions of Jews. They murdered millions of other people too, which included thousands of people of different races, many of which were German citizens of African Descent, as I mentioned in my comments.

This is a lot better than nothing but she needs to make an actual official statement, not just a facebook post. This isn't table stakes, she's an elected government official.

> Does it make them unfit to speak on that subject? Yes. Does this mean that they’re part of some Neo-Nazi shadow conspiracy to corrupt America’s youth? No it doesn’t.

Bear in mind this woman said these things in the course of campaigning to pass legislation in Ohio governing how educators discuss the Holocaust...

> You sound like you’re some chronically online guy who has nothing better to do than spam a totally unrelated subreddit about how a politician you don’t like is secretly a Nazi.

I guess that's just like... your opinion man.

There's a way to do this properly and then there's Nazi apologism. Sarah Arthur Fowler appears to be engaging in pretty direct, uneducated and ignorant Nazi apologism. You're free to interpret what she said according to your own understanding of things but here's my perspective:

Direct quote:

> “What we do not want is for someone to come in and say, ‘Well, obviously, the German government was right in saying that an Aryan race is superior to all other races, and therefore they were acting rightly when they murdered hundreds of thousands of people for having a different color of skin,’” Fowler Arthur said. “We believe that that is anti-American, and that it goes against everything that America stands for.First...

She demonstrates a massive lack of historical understanding: The Nazis genocided (in cold blood) at least 6 million Jews and many million other minorities, Polish people, Czechs, and other Eastern Europeans. Then she never corrects her statement when she's called out for this inaccuracy. This conversation is occurring in the context of this woman writing and cosponsoring legislation which directly impacts how the holocaust is taught in schools.

Second, Jews weren't murdered for having a different skin color, they were murdered because Hitler was an evil insane anti-semite who over time turned Germany into a genocide machine.

> “And so we want to be clear that yes, you should talk about these atrocities that have happened in history, but you also do have an obligation to point out the value that each individual brings to the table,” Fowler Arthur said. “And to encourage students to think of their peers with respect and courtesy, and appreciate them for who they are.”

This is classic Nazi apologism. First the person says something kinda tame like this. If they get no push back then the person says something like "Oh yeah and how about Rommel? What a brilliant general, he wasn't really involved in the concentration camps you know." If they don't get push back they follow it up with something like: "You know that most Germans didn't know about the concentration camps right?". If that doesn't get push back they might follow up with "If someone had just stopped Hitler it wouldn't have happened, it's all his fault you know. But he was right that Germany needed more land."And now all WWII is solely Hitler's fault somehow.

For reference of others who didn't watch the interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIcYdNF_qUo

Direct quotes from Sarah Fowler Arthur in her interview https://youtu.be/sIcYdNF_qUo

> “What we do not want is for someone to come in and say, ‘Well,
obviously, the German government was right in saying that an Aryan race
is superior to all other races, and therefore they were acting rightly
when they murdered hundreds of thousands of people for having a
different color of skin,’” Fowler Arthur said. “We believe that that is
anti-American, and that it goes against everything that America stands
for.

This is ignorant and inaccurate.

> “And so we want to be clear that yes, you should talk about these atrocities that have happened in history, but you also do have an obligation to point out the value that each individual brings to the table,” Fowler Arthur said. “And to encourage students to think of their peers with respect and courtesy, and appreciate them for who they are.”

This is classic Nazi apologism.

> “I’ve been personally listening to some audiobooks on the Holocaust lately, and maybe you’re going to listen to the perspective of someone from Poland when they were undergoing similar displacement, or when they were being incorporated into the war, into some of these camps, or maybe you’re listening to it from the perspective of a Jewish person that has gone through the tragedies that took place,” Fowler Arthur said. “And maybe you listen to it from the perspective of a German soldier, then you take all those things and you’re asked to write a paper on what happened.”

This is even more direct Nazi apologism.

This interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIcYdNF_qUo

> “What we do not want is for someone to come in and say, ‘Well, obviously, the German government was right in saying that an Aryan race is superior to all other races, and therefore they were acting rightly when they murdered hundreds of thousands of people for having a different color of skin,’” Fowler Arthur said. “We believe that that is anti-American, and that it goes against everything that America stands for.

First... She demonstrates a massive lack of historical understanding: The Nazis genocided (in cold blood) at least 6 million Jews and many million other minorities, Polish people, Czechs, and other Eastern Europeans. Then she never corrects her statement when she's called out for this inaccuracy.

Second, Jews weren't murdered for having a different skin color, they were murdered because Hitler was an evil insane anti-semite who over time turned Germany into a genocide machine.

> “And so we want to be clear that yes, you should talk about these atrocities that have happened in history, but you also do have an obligation to point out the value that each individual brings to the table,” Fowler Arthur said. “And to encourage students to think of their peers with respect and courtesy, and appreciate them for who they are.”

This is classic Nazi apologism. First you say something kinda tame like this. If they get no push back then the person says something like "Oh yeah and how about Rommel? What a brilliant general, he wasn't really involved in the concentration camps you know." If they don't get push back they follow it up with something like: "You know that most Germans didn't know about the concentration camps right?". If that doesn't get push back they might follow up with "If someone had just stopped Hitler it wouldn't have happened, it's all his fault you know. But he was right that Germany needed more land."

And now all WWII is solely Hitler's fault somehow.

I really like the content too and Isaac & Sarah seem like pretty nice people so it's definitely surprising to me. Given the scope of her comments it's certainly possible she just bungled the interview, didn't understand why her comments were offensive, became embarrassed and refused to apologize. That's its own problem though it shows a lack of understanding which is pretty concerning for someone writing legislation on teaching, especially legislation impacting how the holocaust is taught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnoTE9gtPj8

You're free to interpret what she said according to your own understanding of things but here's my perspective:

Direct quote:

> “What we do not want is for someone to come in and say, ‘Well, obviously, the German government was right in saying that an Aryan race is superior to all other races, and therefore they were acting rightly when they murdered hundreds of thousands of people for having a different color of skin,’” Fowler Arthur said. “We believe that that is anti-American, and that it goes against everything that America stands for.First...

She demonstrates a massive lack of historical understanding: The Nazis genocided (in cold blood) at least 6 million Jews and many million other minorities, Polish people, Czechs, and other Eastern Europeans. Then she never corrects her statement when she's called out for this inaccuracy. This conversation is occurring in the context of this woman writing and cosponsoring legislation which directly impacts how the holocaust is taught in schools.

Second, Jews weren't murdered for having a different skin color, they were murdered because Hitler was an evil insane anti-semite who over time turned Germany into a genocide machine.

> “And so we want to be clear that yes, you should talk about these atrocities that have happened in history, but you also do have an obligation to point out the value that each individual brings to the table,” Fowler Arthur said. “And to encourage students to think of their peers with respect and courtesy, and appreciate them for who they are.”

This is classic Nazi apologism. First the person says something kinda tame like this. If they get no push back then the person says something like "Oh yeah and how about Rommel? What a brilliant general, he wasn't really involved in the concentration camps you know." If they don't get push back they follow it up with something like: "You know that most Germans didn't know about the concentration camps right?". If that doesn't get push back they might follow up with "If someone had just stopped Hitler it wouldn't have happened, it's all his fault you know. But he was right that Germany needed more land."And now all WWII is solely Hitler's fault somehow.

For reference of others who didn't watch the interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIcYdNF_qUo

This interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIcYdNF_qUo

> “What we do not want is for someone to come in and say, ‘Well, obviously, the German government was right in saying that an Aryan race is superior to all other races, and therefore they were acting rightly when they murdered hundreds of thousands of people for having a different color of skin,’” Fowler Arthur said. “We believe that that is anti-American, and that it goes against everything that America stands for.

First... She demonstrates a massive lack of historical understanding: The Nazis genocided (in cold blood) at least 6 million Jews and many million other minorities, Polish people, Czechs, and other Eastern Europeans. Then she never corrects her statement when she's called out for this inaccuracy.

Second, Jews weren't murdered for having a different skin color, they were murdered because Hitler was an evil insane anti-semite who over time turned Germany into a genocide machine.

> “And so we want to be clear that yes, you should talk about these atrocities that have happened in history, but you also do have an obligation to point out the value that each individual brings to the table,” Fowler Arthur said. “And to encourage students to think of their peers with respect and courtesy, and appreciate them for who they are.”

This is classic Nazi apologism. First you say something kinda tame like this. If they get no push back then the person says something like "Oh yeah and how about Rommel? What a brilliant general, he wasn't really involved in the concentration camps you know." If they don't get push back they follow it up with something like: "You know that most Germans didn't know about the concentration camps right?". If that doesn't get push back they might follow up with "If someone had just stopped Hitler it wouldn't have happened, it's all his fault you know. But he was right that Germany needed more land."

And now all WWII is solely Hitler's fault somehow.

She was in a lot of his Q&A videos and she benefits financially from money he makes via ads or Patreon, given that they're married.

yeah :( It's really quite sad, I was an avid fan of his content and watched all his vids.

He seems like such a smart guy. I don't really understand how he can be so ahistorical and I don't understand how she can fail to grasp the Holocaust.

> How can he abide something like that?

I don't know, it's mind boggling. He was an election overseer in Ohio so I think perhaps he imagines that as long as he just remains totally neutral by not commenting it's "okay".

Of course, to each their own, he has great content and I'm not gonna harass people who watch his stuff but it's something to keep in mind if you do view his stuff.

> What is a holocaust apologists

Someone who believes that what was done by individual Nazis (or Nazi aligned people) or Nazis as a whole during the Holocaust is not as bad as the historical record shows.

Sometimes this is because they're antisemitic, sometimes it's because they are white nationalists, sometimes they're just ignorant and uneducated, sometimes it's a different reason.

> antisemitism - hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

m-w.com

> Did she get canceled

She got some bad press and push back but she's still an elected official of Ohio. Go ask her constituents I guess.

Fair enough, that's your call to make. I think his content is great I just couldn't keep listening but that's just a personal choice.

Just an FYI but Isaac Arthurs' wife appears to be a holocaust apologist and is campaigning against good teaching practices as an elected official in Ohio.

I chose to stop watching his channel but of course to each their own.

> "You should talk about these atrocities that have happened in history, but you also do have an obligation to point out the value that each individual brings to the table," Fowler Arthur said.

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/politics/ohio-politics/comments-about-the-holocaust-from-representative-sponsoring-divisive-concepts-bill-raise-concerns

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/03/23/ohio-house-speaker-criticizes-republican-lawmakers-holocaust-comment/7145188001/

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-702341

> Yeah, it's unfortunate she's pushing those views outside of the channel,

yeah :( I couldn't believe it at first, I thought it must be some stirred up controversy so I went and actually watched the video, far from the most horrendous thing I've heard but just ignorant, awful and unapologetic about it. A huge shame IMO.

> but Isaac's channel is still a goldmine of interesting futurist
content.

Yeah incredible content, I watched every video on the channel, some multiple times, before all the BS went down.

> It's understandable if someone wants to avoid the channel for
that reason though.

Indeed, I'm not gonna harass people about it just think they oughta know.

I think I had actually bumped into Event Horizon before but the others are totally new to me. Thanks again for the pointers!

I'm gonna check out Event Horizon, Koranos, Curious Reason & exa cognition, I haven't heard of any of them.

Sadly Isaac Arthurs' wife is a effectively a holocaust apologist and is
campaigning against good teaching practices as an elected
official in Ohio, so I stopped watching his channel. Just FYI.

Sadly Isaac Arthurs' wife is a effectively a holocaust apologist and is campaigning to block good teaching practices as an elected official in Ohio, so I stopped watching his channel.

This is comedy gold

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