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gravitas_shortage t1_irvh2l2 wrote

Reply to comment by Cogwheel in [D] Is it possible for an artificial neural network to become sentient? by talkingtoai

We can seriously speculate that the brain uses quantum effects to generate consciousness, for example. It's definitely speculation, but brilliant people like Penrose think it's plausible. There is nothing in neural networks we cannot control or understand if required.

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Cogwheel t1_irw6cmn wrote

This is straight-up quantum mysticism. Quantum mechanics is a rigorous theory that explains the underpinnings of the electro-chemichal processes in everything, including brains.

Why would there be some fundamental force of the universe that only appears in brains?

To the extent any unknown quantum interactions exist, they would have to be negligible.

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gravitas_shortage t1_irw94sv wrote

Who said anything about them only appearing in brains? I'm not a specialist and cannot talk about it, and, forgive me, neither are you. Penrose, and others, are, and seem to think there's enough there to warrant a debate and investigation. Maybe if you get familiar with their argument you can meaningfully agree or disagree, but it's not in my area of expertise, or interest.

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Cogwheel t1_irwa4ld wrote

I don't see how any of this refutes my original point. If there are unknown quantum effects taking place in the brain, they are part of the biochemistry, not separate from it.

And afaik, quantum mechanics is perfectly happy being represented as matrix operations (albeit with shitty space complexity)

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