Submitted by MeanFluffyBunny t3_ydk2h7 in Maine
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_itsttrw wrote
Reply to comment by Prestigious-Fox-7842 in Advice after dog attack by MeanFluffyBunny
It was almost a full minute of my dog being mauled. I was about to shoot the other dog but my girl was able to knock the other dog over and fight back. The fucking neighbor comes out right after it was done and says “it’s ok, she’s just mouthy”.
I’m def filing a police report tomorrow am. Do you think he will know I filed one?
gracelandcat t1_itsv2fc wrote
Yes, he'll be notified. As he should be. His dog was not under his control when it attacked your dog. He should be fined and he should volunteer to pay for your dog's vet bills. It's state law that a dog be vaccinated for rabies and, with a current vaccination, it's law that the dog be registered in the town in which it resides. You need to know if the dog has current vaccinations. If it isn't vaccinated and registered, those are two additional violations. I hope your dog is okay and I wish you good luck .
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_itswa1u wrote
Can he be forced to pay the vet bills?
tycam01 t1_itsyfsk wrote
Have to take him to small claims
Fireonpoopdick t1_ittd9hi wrote
Get all receipts and police reports, you need to go through official channels with these yahoos, pay the vet now and make this garbage pay later
NoriDog22 t1_itu0w5w wrote
If he is charged with dangerous or nuisance dog vet bills can be part of the court ordered restitution. And yes 100% call the police and talk to the animal control officer. (Animal control officer here. Not for Bangor though. )
gracelandcat t1_itwebuj wrote
As others have commented, he might be forced to pay if he is cited with violations. Or, you may have to take him to small claims court. But you definitely need to file a police report, file a report with your city's animal control officer, and keep a paper/photo trail of everything. Good luck.
waterson2022 t1_itxbrpx wrote
Glad to hear you were armed, especially if the aggressive dog decided to attack you, there's no reason to hold back at that point, and you'd being doing everyone a favor.
Mergus84 t1_itu8ih9 wrote
"Just mouthy"? This person is delusional, and a bad owner. You're doing the right thing filing a report.
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_ituo1bl wrote
His fucking dog was in my yard this am. I literally have to carry a gun in my own yard. Waiting for the sheriff as we speak. Not fucking around with this asshole.
AssumptionLivid6879 t1_ituwdeu wrote
Call animal control to collect that “lab-mix”
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_iu0bw3b wrote
Animal control is still MIA. I’ve called 7 times and explained to them my dog nearly died, the offending dog shit in my yard yesterday and I fear for my safety on my property. Nbd I guess. I think I should call state police if no one reaches out to me in the next hour
Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee t1_iu026dw wrote
Don't breed blame. Its not the breed its the owners every time.
DobermanCavalry t1_iu224ow wrote
I’m hoping this is sarcasm but its so hard to tell….
Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee t1_iu48wec wrote
Here are the organizations that agree Breed Specific Laws are bullshit;
>American Veterinary Medical Association, the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior, the ASPCA, the CDC, the American Bar Association, the American Kennel Club, the National Animal Care & Control Association, the National Canine Research Council, the Humane Society.
So no, not sarcasm. Imagine disagreeing with this group on animal laws and right.
DobermanCavalry t1_iu4mfnn wrote
Did you actually read any of those? Most of them say it does not work because you cant effectively identify what breed a dog is visually in all cases. That CDC link in particular said Pit Bull/Rottweilers accounted for over half all fatalities. Two breeds, HALF of all fatalities. There are hundreds of breeds of dogs....
Listen, I love dogs, but theres only one type of dog that you see in the news that is killing multiple kids, and ripping the arms of mothers who try to intervene. Its not Dobermans (who actually are misunderstood and are safe dogs), its not Akitas, its not Golden Retrievers or Chihuahuas. So yeah, people can continue saying "its AlwaYs the owNeR" but you don't see Great Danes snapping and killing multiple kids and parents.
Are Pit Bulls the only dogs who have bad owners?
https://time.com/2891180/kfc-and-the-pit-bull-attack-of-a-little-girl/
>Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but they’re responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982, according to research compiled by Merritt Clifton, editor of Animals 24-7, an animal-news organization that focuses on humane work and animal-cruelty prevention.
>Another report published in the April 2011 issue of Annals of Surgery found that one person is killed by a pit bull every 14 days, two people are injured by a pit bull every day, and young children are especially at risk. The report concludes that “these breeds should be regulated in the same way in which other dangerous species, such as leopards, are regulated.”
Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee t1_iu55r2f wrote
No actually, the CDC says the misreporting of breeds makes pitbulls and Rottweilers abnormally higher in their statistics. Please go read it again, as the CDC specifically states it is against BLS.
CDC doesn’t gather the statistics, they analyze them. They’re pointing out that human bias ruins the data leading to incorrect conclusions on breeds.
If you can’t understand the study - apparently - you can read the analysis from one of the other major organizations.
Again, fault of the owner. Not the breeds.
> The CDC strongly recommends against breed-specific laws in its oft-cited study of fatal dog attacks, noting that data collection related to bites by breed is fraught with potential sources of error (Sacks et al., 2000).
As the American Veterinarian Medical Association explains;
> It is not possible to calculate a bite rate for a breed or to compare rates between breeds because the data reported is often unreliable. This is because:
>The breed of a biting dog is often not known or is reported inaccurately. The actual number of bites that occur in a community is not known, especially if they don't result in serious injury. The number of dogs of a particular breed or combination of breeds in a community is not known because it is rare for all dogs in a community to be licensed. Statistics often do not consider multiple incidents caused by a single animal. Breed popularity changes over time, making comparison of breed-specific bite rates unreliable. However a review of the research that attempts to quantify the relation between breed and bite risk finds the connection to be weak or absent, while responsible ownership variables such as socialization, neutering and proper containment of dogs are much more strongly indicated as important risk factors
DobermanCavalry t1_iu57jxy wrote
I'll ask again, are Pit Bulls the only dogs with bad owners? How do you reconcile that they overwhelmingly hurt more people than other dogs? Just bad luck?
>Injuries from Pitbull's and mixed breed dogs were both more frequent and more severe.
Essig GF Jr, Sheehan C, Rikhi S, Elmaraghy CA, Christophel JJ. Dog bite injuries to the face: Is there risk with breed ownership? A systematic review with meta-analysis. Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2019 Feb;117:182-188. doi: 10.1016/j.ijporl.2018.11.028. Epub 2018 Nov 29. PMID: 30579079.
>Attacks by Pit Bull Terriers are more likely to cause severe morbidity than other breeds of dogs.
Harnarayan P, Islam S, Ramsingh C, Naraynsingh V. Pit Bull attack causing limb threatening vascular trauma -A case series. Int J Surg Case Rep. 2018;42:133-137. doi: 10.1016/j.ijscr.2017.11.061. Epub 2017 Dec 8. PMID: 29245098; PMCID: PMC5730392.
>Pit-bull type was the most frequently implicated breed (27%)
Morzycki A, Simpson A, Williams J. Dog bites in the emergency department: a descriptive analysis. CJEM. 2019 Jan;21(1):63-70. doi: 10.1017/cem.2018.2. Epub 2018 Mar 1. PMID: 29490720.
>Pet dogs were responsible for 42% of injuries, and pit bull was the most-identified breed (36.2%).
Abraham JT, Czerwinski M. Pediatric Dog Bite Injuries in Central Texas. J Pediatr Surg. 2019 Jul;54(7):1416-1420. doi: 10.1016/j.jpedsurg.2018.09.022. Epub 2018 Oct 31. PMID: 30473254.
>Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs.
Bini JK, Cohn SM, Acosta SM, McFarland MJ, Muir MT, Michalek JE; TRISAT Clinical Trials Group. Mortality, mauling, and maiming by vicious dogs. Ann Surg. 2011 Apr;253(4):791-7. doi: 10.1097/SLA.0b013e318211cd68. PMID: 21475022.
> The most common breed of dog identified was pit bull (n = 29, 47.5%).
Lee CJ, Santos PJF, Vyas RM. Epidemiology, Socioeconomic Analysis, and Specialist Involvement in Dog Bite Wounds in Adults. J Craniofac Surg. 2019 May/Jun;30(3):753-757. doi: 10.1097/SCS.0000000000005201. PMID: 30845083.
AssumptionLivid6879 t1_iu5r29d wrote
All dogs were bred for very specific purposes.
Heelers bred for cattle. Newfoundlands and labradors for fowl hunting. Bloodhounds for scent tracking. Shepards for herding. Huskies and malamutes for sled towing. Hell Chihuahuas were bred specifically to listen for coyotes.
Pitbulls? Blood sport
AssumptionLivid6879 t1_iu53hr4 wrote
Did you not actually read you own links? CDC link literally says pitbulls/Rottweilers contribute to 50% of fatalities
Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee t1_iu54cow wrote
O you poor summer child, please go actually read the whole thing;
> The CDC strongly recommends against breed-specific laws in its oft-cited study of fatal dog attacks, noting that data collection related to bites by breed is fraught with potential sources of error (Sacks et al., 2000). Specifically, the authors of this and other studies cite the inherent difficulties in breed identification (especially among mixed-breed dogs) and in calculating a breed’s bite rate given the lack of consistent data on breed population and the actual number of bites occurring in a community, especially when the injury is not deemed serious enough to require treatment in an emergency room (Sacks et al., 2000; AVMA, 2001; Collier, 2006). Supporting the concern regarding identification, a recent study noted a significant discrepancy between visual determination of breed and DNA determination of breed (Voith et al., 2009).
The study points out specifically that it’s data is completely wrong, and recommends against Breed Specific Laws - attributing the issue to human error from unwarranted bias against specific breeds.
Now go read the other links too instead of cherry picking for a Hail Mary.
AssumptionLivid6879 t1_iu5q72o wrote
Looks like someone else did the work in another thread Please just donate money to help those attacked by “bad owners”.
I can’t even imagine how much good you could do to the world if you spent your energy helping others over defending breeds of animals that were biologically groomed to kill both humans and dogs.
AssumptionLivid6879 t1_iu0d2fv wrote
Rather than spending energy supporting a breed that was selectively bred to kill both dogs and humans, spend some money to help those were attacked by unprovoked sweet pibblebears that couldn’t hurt a fly:
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mommamcmomface t1_itvqa7i wrote
That dog should be under mandatory quarantine. At least for 10 days. Since the owner cannot control their dog, they will end up having to register it as “dangerous”. (This will be ordered by the court). The owner will have to formally register the dog as a dangerous animal, post signs on their property, muzzle the dog and keep in on a lead of no more than 3 feet when off property, notify the sheriff and animal control whenever it is loose, if outside and on property, the dog must be contained by a six foot fence. They may require it’s assessed by a animal behaviorist and undergo mandatory training. However, if that dog is on your property, without being under the control of its owner, you are 100% within your right to dispatch the animal. I’m sorry you’re going through this. I hope it all works out for you.
Wyatt_Earth t1_itwo7vr wrote
Shoot that fucking thing and don't think twice.
JuggernautTasty3791 t1_itze7be wrote
Shoot it. It’s on private property and has already attacked.
Baisemoncul t1_iu25yam wrote
Don’t shoot the head, they need it for rabies testing. With the documentation you have, you are well within your rights to kill it on YOUR PROPERTY! The consequence may well be retaliation on their part. It’s a two edged sword.
HIncand3nza t1_itubekz wrote
Most irresponsible dog owners are
Impooter t1_itunltb wrote
Extremely dangerous dog owner. They are keeping an aggressive dog off a leash... It's a tragedy waiting to happen, could be a child next. It sucks because I'm sure they love their dog and genuinely don't belive its aggressive, but it has to stop.
That said, definitely take pictures of the dog off leash if you can, and present them to the police. Get video, if possible, of any altercation. It's your word against theirs unfortunately, and you need evidence if you are going to court.
You should be free to walk your dog without that risk.
Really sorry to hear about your dog, but glad she was able to defend herself, a lot of times it's very one-sided and "over" quickly...
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_ituodl0 wrote
I have pictures and security cam footage. Sheriff is coming over to have a chat with me. https://i.imgur.com/fqry2dl.jpg
eljefino t1_itvdq4n wrote
Fook yea, get 'em!
FITM-K t1_ituz9ou wrote
> The fucking neighbor comes out right after it was done and says “it’s ok, she’s just mouthy”.
I swear, they always say this kind of shit. I got bit by an unleashed dog while running, no owner in sight, so I just yelled "CONTROL YOUR FUCKING DOG" and kept going with my run.
About 5 mins later the dog's owner chased me down in the car to apologize and assure me that the dog "would never bite."
She was pretty surprised when I showed her the rip in my pants and the bite marks.
eljefino t1_itvdy1i wrote
I had a dog biting me in the nads in a public street.
I yelled at the owner, right there, "CALL OFF YOUR DOG."
They told me I "set her off" by yelling. They are the heroes in their own world.
RealBlondeFakeBags t1_itw5k75 wrote
I don’t understand people who act like this. I have a dog who is the sweetest and has never acted aggressive towards myself or anyone else. Even when a friends toddler tried to take his food bowl he just sat there patiently waiting for the kid to give it back. STILL I make sure he is leashed or fenced at all times outside. I can’t read his mind. Something could make him react or snap. I don’t want to be responsible if someone gets hurt. I don’t want him to get hurt either! I don’t even bring him to dog parks anymore because I’ve seen too many people bring their obviously aggressive dogs there with no regard for what might happen.
SyntheticCorners28 t1_itubpk5 wrote
You should have shot it. Put an end to it quick.
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_ituo88d wrote
Hindsight I wish I did. I didn’t realize the damage that was being done and I was worried he might come out with a gun.
Zephyr4813 t1_itutnrt wrote
Some good mace could be effective while also being less drastic and legally complicated.
Wyatt_Earth t1_itwoih5 wrote
Mace will not stop a real dog fight. Shooting a dog that is attacking you or your property is not legally complicated.
Zephyr4813 t1_itxba8b wrote
I've seen videos of mace working on a real dog fight. Discharging a firearm is a big deal and can endanger bystanders, could be within city limits, etc. Your dog is your property and not your life and it absolutely can be legally complicated. Stop talking out of your ass.
Wyatt_Earth t1_ity138j wrote
If mace worked, it wasn't a real dog fight.
People think a lot of noise and drama is a "dog fight" and have never seen or had to break up a real one.
cathar_here t1_itvtphu wrote
I would have shot the dog at about the 10 second mark, but that's just me
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_itvwnlw wrote
I was being indecisive. I didn’t realize the full extent of the damage that the dog was inflicting, and I was worried that the neighbor would come out with a gun too. I wish I shot the dog in hindsight. My girl got fucked up.
I just got done with the Sheriff, he advised me to not step foot on this guys property. Do everything through animal control/certified mail. He also basically told me to shoot the dog if it steps foot on my property or comes after me in the road. Don’t wait for it to attack.
ThuviaofMars t1_itvxgew wrote
good sheriff
YolksOnU t1_itw5vge wrote
I have to carry a gun in my own yard too because of a neighbor's off-leash dangerous breed dogs that they refuse to control. I love dogs, hell, critters in general, but I'm not taking any chances with the lives of my loved ones. It bites, it dies.
If I were you, I would consult with a lawyer regarding a civil suit for damages such as emotional distress and loss of quiet enjoyment. Your security camera footage is very useful showing a dangerous dog on your property, which is emotionally distressing, causing anxiety, fear, and loss of enjoyment of your property, right?
Because take it from me, these people aren't going to control their dog, they aren't going to move, and they aren't going to put up a fence at their cost to contain their dangerous animal unless you make them.
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_itw8zhp wrote
I’ve spoken with the sheriff today, he basically said to shoot the dog if it comes onto my property or if it runs at me off leash in the road. Still waiting for animal control to show up, they are 5 hours late…
I am going down the civil suit road if he refuses to pay up ($1100 for the first vet visit, will need two more visits and possibly another surgery). I have a feeling he won’t tho. The sheriff also advised me to handle all contact with this man through animal control and certified mail, not to step foot on his property.
YolksOnU t1_itw9hr3 wrote
They won't. People like that don't do what they're supposed to do in any way shape or form, which is why they have a dog that attacks other dogs running around at large to begin with.
Don't wait for them to do the right thing, make them do the right thing. Because they won't otherwise. Don't even give them the opportunity to disregard this.
Sound advice from law enforcement at least.
Wyatt_Earth t1_itwo3o3 wrote
You had a gun and didn't shoot that thing? I hope you learned that lesson!
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_itwqsuo wrote
I was definitely indecisive. My main concern was the other dogs owner hearing the shot, comes outside and sees that I killed his dog, and then shoots me. I only had a 5 shot revolver and who knows what he’s packing.
In hindsight I wish I shot the dog and then gtfo of there. Even then, we live 200 feet apart and he can see my house through the trees.
Wyatt_Earth t1_ity16gn wrote
Understandable. Next time - because there WILL be a next time - don't hesitate.
JuggernautTasty3791 t1_itze45t wrote
Next time. Shoot the dog.
Alternative_Minute93 t1_itu3j2r wrote
You sure you’re not a Mainer? This shit sounds so Maine.
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_itvi43b wrote
Born and raised in rural northern NH…basically a different branch on the same tree
Alternative_Minute93 t1_itwnps0 wrote
Haha yeah nice up there.
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