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nostromo7 t1_j6fhu4o wrote

Reply to comment by BKCowGod in my uncle on prom night in 1987. by turbocharged_autism

>Meanwhile BMW was getting 190 horsepower out of a 2.8l.

Not in the US they weren't...

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BKCowGod t1_j6firb4 wrote

You're right, but still more HP than the domestic 350. 167 in the US. My 535 in the US was making 218 and an M5 was making 286. Alfa Romeo was getting a little over 1 horsepower per cubic inch out of their 4cyl that had been in use since the 50s.

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nostromo7 t1_j6fv46w wrote

You're playing fast and loose with timelines and numbers here, bud. You're mixing numbers up with European-market cars from years later that didn't have catalytic converters and wouldn't have had a hope in hell of being sold on the US market.

The pictured Camaro is a late '70s Z28, which would have had 185 hp (although this had dropped to a nadir in '81 of only 175 hp, with the introduction of the Computer Command Control (CCC) electronically-controlled carburetor). The 535i didn't come out until 1985; an IROC-Z made 215 hp from its fuel-injected 305 by then. The M535i of the early '80s was never sold in the US because it didn't meet emissions standards. The M5 didn't come out until '86 in the US, and it was 256 hp when configured for US emissions.

>Alfa Romeo was getting a little over 1 horsepower per cubic inch out of their 4cyl that had been in use since the 50s.

Again: not in the US they weren't.

The 2.0 L (122 cu in) Spider and Alfetta GT/Sprint Veloce with SPICA mechanical fuel injection only made 110 hp at the time. It was respectable. The real screamer in the US Alfa lineup was the GTV6, which came out in 1980 and made 154 hp.

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BKCowGod t1_j6fz73r wrote

In California it was 165. I know, I had the same engine in my '77 GMC (which didn't have catalytic converters).

I understand you are very passionate about this. If you really believe American V8s of the late 70s and early 80s were actually great then that's on you.

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nostromo7 t1_j6g2v0x wrote

Every engine of the late '70s and early '80s sucked. I'm not very "passionate" about these sucky engines, I just don't like when people use power figures from Europe and/or from the mid-'80s to make disingenuous arguments.

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bedlog t1_j6geazz wrote

and the drivers still wouldn't use their turn signals

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