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[deleted] t1_j8sjiul wrote

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ChrisTheHurricane t1_j8stumo wrote

I once got into an argument with someone on this very issue back when I used to frequent r/Catholicism. The argument they made was that the term "pro-life" is a term only used to describe a position on abortion.

The mental gymnastics are crazy.

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YEAHBUDDY5809 t1_j8tkhtn wrote

Unreal how some Catholics agree with the death penalty. You can’t pick a choose parts of Catholic doctrine that you agree and disagree with. Here’s 2267 from the new Catechism: “Consequently, the Church teaches, in the light of the Gospel, that “the death penalty is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person”,i and she works with determination for its abolition worldwide.”

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ChrisTheHurricane t1_j8tlcp4 wrote

A friend of mine put it best a few years ago when Pope Francis condemned the death penalty:

God: "Thou shalt not kill."

Believer: "But--"

God: "Did I fucking stutter?"

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Bicycle-Seat t1_j8upsfw wrote

You are correct, pro life should apply to the death penalty too.

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akadmin t1_j8tjn0c wrote

I don't think executing an innocent life for convenience versus executing someone who's guilty of a proportionate crime requires that much thought to comprehend

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ChrisTheHurricane t1_j8tkaqc wrote

Except there is no foolproof way to determine a person's guilt. People are wrongfully convicted every day across the planet. And while we can at least compensate someone who was wrongfully imprisoned, we can't compensate someone who was wrongfully executed.

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akadmin t1_j8tkzer wrote

I agree, but don't act like a fetus and a serial killer are the same thing. That was a really stupid comment.

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zeroliger t1_j8vmyz7 wrote

do you really just assume all people enjoy getting abortions or something? like what the hell is in that head of yours.

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Zenith2017 t1_j8xzlpy wrote

Again, not a serial killer in this scenario, someone wrongfully convicted. We have killed dozens of people in the US that we now know for a fact were innocent

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JStevens84 t1_j8suu8x wrote

I don’t know, seems reasonable to me. Everyone deserves a chance at life. In some instances, people who have caused an extremely excessive amount of harm to others doesn’t deserve to continue to live.

I’m not even taking sides, just saying I don’t think those two ideas are necessarily conflicting

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sensistarfish t1_j8sw15z wrote

You’d have to put your complete trust in the justice system. Not everyone put to death is actually guilty.

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JStevens84 t1_j8wrnmq wrote

Oh I’m against the death penalty for that very reason. I just meant that as a theoretical

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ChrisTheHurricane t1_j8sxbiz wrote

The counterargument to that is that there is a nonzero chance of executing an innocent person. At least a person can be compensated for time spent wrongfully imprisoned; no such recourse exists for a person wrongfully executed.

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Wise-Cap-7135 t1_j8t0zkd wrote

Hi, I'm a pro-life Republican who vehemently opposes capital punishment not only because it takes a life, but primarily because the persons convicted and sentenced to death are far too often later exonerated and the death penalty itself is disproportionately applied to minorities.

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gslavik t1_j8tanc1 wrote

What kind of Rockefeller Republican shit is this? :)

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akadmin t1_j8tjtwu wrote

I don't know where you're getting that but that's the first time I've heard it.

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SpauldingSmails18 t1_j8te1au wrote

The death penalty is more often applied when the victims are white. That’s really the racial bias. Black people are not given the death sentence more than whites.

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