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Not long ago I would have said "resign". But Republicans do far worse and don't resign. I don't see why this guy should.

Because Dems need to hold themselves to a higher standard?

I totally get that and normally I'd agree 💯. But what has holding Dems to a higher standard gotten us? Al Franken is a great example.

Totally agree.

Good. At this point it’s common practice for no one to resign. Our last president was under investigation his entire term. We currently have serval sitting congressman under investigation who still maintain committee seats. One dude has basically been found to have fabricated 70% of his life story. Until everyone resigns no one should.

Tell me about it: https://youtu.be/Zf8sJri25kU

Minnesota has two democrat senators. Al Franken retiring didn't lose anyone a seat. This guy should give up his seat so we can elect someone who isn't sexually harassing people.

we may agree 100% politically and still i can almost promise anybody you’ve ever voted for throughout your life has sexually harassed lots of people

Politicians shouldn't be sexually harassing people. I don't disagree with your statement, but the least we can do is stand up for the women (and men) who are willing to stand up for themselves. It's our duty as informed citizens to call politicians on their bullshit regardless of party.

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You resign when an investigation by the appropriate authorities proves you guilty. No one should resign over allegations alone. That would be a ridiculous and dangerous standard.

A man in full self-loathing mode.

>Until everyone resigns no one should.

Under your theory, until every murderer is convicted of murder no one should be convicted.

Not sure that's how it is supposed to work.

>No one should resign over allegations alone.

I thought both Clinton and donnie dumpster fire should have resigned based solely on credible allegations. I also think legislators who have credible allegations of physical abuse lodged against them should resign. We need to have some minimum standard beyond "infamous crime."

Convicted and accused are different things.

That "When they go low, we go high" bullshit gets you curb stomped in elections because the general public doesn't care about this and it blows over fast. They held themselves to higher standards and one of the best Senators resigned over a decades old photo while on a comedy tour. This is a political war. Both sides are as much puppets of corporations but when you try to show off for being righteous, you resign and lose power. One party is in this for pure power and when they wield it, it only helps out the elites.

I think he should resign. The only reason not to is if you know it's a smear campaign otherwise it's going to come out eventually.

However republicans calling for his resignation is the pot calling the kettle black.

"That "When they go low, we go high" bullshit gets you curb stomped in elections because the general public doesn't care about this and it blows over fast."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Alabama

If it's good enough that no republican ever quits regardless the crimes they commit - it's good enough for this guy.

Remember Al Franken? Me too. He got screwed over this exact same way.

Not sure what an example defined by a historically unpopular President telling people that the vote was fraudulent anyway so why show up would be Germain to this discussion.

Dude isn’t denying it occurred. Idk what he is going to fight? He put his hand on a lobbyists thigh repeatedly and he apologized for it the next day. He’s claiming he has struggled with alcohol addiction which is great but deal with it when you’re not a fucking state representative. This is so dumb and I don’t know how leadership isn’t expediting the whole process so as to get a new representative.

The faux Republican indignation is hysterical but it’s not like they’re wrong, just extremely hypocritical.

No shit, sherlock.

We are not talking about a regular man on the street. Instead, Zabel is an elected official. Standard for behavior should be higher for him. I can be ok with giving him a second chance, but there is that 2nd woman. And there is the GQP controlled Ethics Commission which did absolutely nothing.

I think the key there is "credible" and who decides what's credible or not. It doesn't need to be a technical crime, but there needs to be a formal investigation to determine if allegations are credible or not.

>there needs to be a formal investigation to determine if allegations are credible or not

I think some folks are confusing sexual harassment with sexual abuse. One requires a criminal investigation with due process rights regardless of the accused's place in life, the other needs only credible allegations. For a solitary accusation, there may be a need to determine credibility in an accusation but when there is more than one accusation a pattern of behavior has developed and credibility runs in favor of those levying the accusations.

There should be an ethics investigation and then he should resign based on what the ethics committee finds

So, he was at my door asking for votes. All the while being a fucking slimeball. Stuck his nose up at my marijuana charge. Keep your hands to yourself. Weirdo. Another liar.

Franken was (to my best memory) was the last time Democrats take the high road... stakes are too hard to pretend ethics mean shit anymore.

Which is one reason why I believe the GQP ought to shut up until they address the wife beaters in their midst.

He admits it lol

Well of course in that case, he should resign

Lmaooo this dude comes off as such a pompous douchebag. Same stupid smile in all his pics.

Also, he looks hammered in the pic for the article Lmao

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The minimum standard isn't met by organizing a coup apparently.

>However republicans calling for his resignation is the pot calling the kettle black.

I'm a Democrat who thinks he should resign, and I don't want to hear a goddamn word about this from any Republican who has not disavowed Trump.