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Unique-Public-8594 t1_j2ic3ot wrote

Reply to comment by Allemaengel in Suspect in Idaho killings had made 'creepy' comments to brewery staff, customers, owner says by cpr4life8

Is it surprising he was a loner? Isn’t that very consistent?

Maybe loners need more help than we realize. Maybe isolating needs to be seen as much of a red flag as acting up.

I’m curious if his family saw him as troubled and tried to get him help. Was it something they didn’t notice or was it more like watching a train wreck in slo mo?

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FiendishHawk t1_j2ij9ci wrote

Sometimes loners are that way because they give off “danger” vibes that are very real. Like in this case.

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_j2ijquc wrote

In which case, asking peers to simply be more inclusive is not a good solution - doing so could put well-meaning peers at risk as well as pressuring them to not “trust their gut”.

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FiendishHawk t1_j2ilww6 wrote

This is basically what seems to have happened with the Parkland shooter. His behavior was extremely disturbing but the school tried to be inclusive. This just made him worse.

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Gettheinfo2theppl t1_j2ii9no wrote

Maybe we need to focus on mental health as a nation and fund it. Mental wellness for all would solve so many problems around the world.

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PsychologicalPaige99 t1_j2jbgu9 wrote

I don't necessarily disagree, but if he was a self isolating loner what makes you think he would actually help himself and invest in his mental health? We could have all the acceptance and mental health access in the world but you can't force someone to help themselves

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Zenith2017 t1_j2y1tsh wrote

You can't force anyone to help themselves, but it's also true that eliminating barriers to access improves the chance of people helping themselves in the first place. I know I'd engage with mental healthcare more if it was more accessible, and I've already been in therapy and psychiatry for years.

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downonthesecond t1_j2iy6fa wrote

Even in countries with accessible care I've heard people claim there is still a stigma towards mental illness so people and families will avoid help. Those comments usually come up after a mentally ill person attacks others.

Maybe NYC has the right idea forcing people into treatment.

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_j2iiki2 wrote

True but you are missing my point that those who isolate are overlooked more so.

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Past_Celebration7084 t1_j2mieqy wrote

He is accused of unaliving multiple people in one setting .If he is guilty and the evidence checks out in court. Throw the book at him like everyone else. Not buying this loner stuff.

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mmortal03 t1_j2jy3wv wrote

>Is it surprising he was a loner? Isn’t that very consistent?

Criminology experts should jump in here, but I don't think introversion is a good predictor of violent criminals. I don't know if people with "creepy" personalities are more likely to become loners, but I suspect it's more complicated than that:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/quiet-the-power-introverts/201105/the-myth-the-killer-introvert

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_j2jz9md wrote

I hear you. I was thinking there is a significant difference between loner and introvert. It’s a continuum - but I was unclear. I wasn’t intending to label every introvert as sus.

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