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BiffBiffkenson OP t1_j68cx76 wrote

Reply to comment by CoffeeMilkSteaks in Flashing Yellow School Zone Speed Signs Should be Mandatory Alongside Zone Cameras by BiffBiffkenson

I can name several places where the flashing yellow signs were removed in EP when the camera setups were installed.. The only signs i see are large black and white signs - not neon. My experience is mainly with EP with regard to these set ups.

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CoffeeMilkSteaks t1_j68up5w wrote

Im not familiar with every spot in EP but I know in front of St Margarets there are neon signs and im pretty sure in front of the High School there is too. The ones I come across in Pawtucket and CF all have the neons signs. I don't think it matters if they are neon or black or white as you yourself said you see the black and white ones.

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BiffBiffkenson OP t1_j68ylv8 wrote

I'm not sure you are using the term neon correctly. In EP the signs are a flat black and white. Not lit up which neon implies nor are they even shiny. There are some static yellow signs (not at all locations) also not neon. They do not light up. Neon is a gas inside a tube that when electricity is connected to it - it lights up.

The day I got that ticket I hadn't been through there in some time. There is a black and white sign that says 'Speed Limit Traffic Laws Photo Enforced' Which is a mouthful to read the first time going through there. A little further down the road there is a static yellow sign (that is NOT neon) that repeats the warning. Underneath are much smaller signs, one says 'violators prosecuted' underneath that is one that says 7am to 4pm' NOTHING about school zone yet going the other way - north there is a sign that says 'school zone ends' so all this time you are already driving in a school zone. The only posted speed sign is 30mph.

So in fact here the ONLY things alluding to school zone are the school crossing sign directly across from St Margarets and the two 'end school zone' signs.

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CoffeeMilkSteaks t1_j69347d wrote

Yeah true you're right. I usually refer to them as neon even though they are not "neon" in the correct sense. Im not sure what else to call them? Safety green? Bright yellow? I was under the impression that they are only placed in school zones so their presence alone indicates a school zone.

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BiffBiffkenson OP t1_j6986is wrote

You bring up a good point. Maybe the yellow signs even sans saying anything about school zone symbolize school zones. I will have to look at a drivers manual to see if that is the case.

Downloaded the manual and those signs are not in the manual just school crossing signs.

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CoffeeMilkSteaks t1_j69b2qr wrote

You mean the one from 2015? The crosswalk sign has no words or flashing light attached to it yet I still know what to do. I'm honestly not trying to disagree with you. Putting a flashing light up back up isn't going to take the cameras away.

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BiffBiffkenson OP t1_j69c033 wrote

I'm not advocating taking the cameras away at all. I'm saying the flat black signs sans any flashing lights are not as safe as the yellow flashing signs that were actually taken away in some places.

Not every driver is from the area and be honest those black and white signs are not for safety they are there so people will not notice that it is a school zone and get a ticket.

In the western part of the State school zone signs of any type are lacking. Those places should also have a flashing sign indicating school is in session and to slow down.

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CoffeeMilkSteaks t1_j69k3ow wrote

Ok i'm just trying to understand what it is you would prefer? Camera, large signage, and flashing lights? Or just camera and flashing lights and remove the large signs all together?

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BiffBiffkenson OP t1_j69lk8s wrote

Just add the flashing yellow signs that say school zone and have the speed limit posted on them.

I thought that was clear in my post.

In some cases these were simply removed from school zones in EP. Not sure why except that it makes it less urgent with a flat black and white sign.

Are you of the opinion that its not possible to have those along with the flat black and white signs?

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CoffeeMilkSteaks t1_j69tiji wrote

Yes it's possible to have flashing lights too but it really would be overkill. Theres already enough large bright yellow signage.

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BiffBiffkenson OP t1_j69djnw wrote

Yes but you are well within the school zone by the time you see the school crosswalk sign.

A school crosswalk is no different from any crosswalk though. When someone is trying to cross the street at a normal crosswalk it is the law to stop and in some municipalities that applies without a crosswalk. Maybe the fine for not stopping is higher than it is at a normal crosswalk though.

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