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A_Swan_In_Da_Woods t1_ixwe456 wrote

Well, the Byzantine was more like a descendant of the Roman empire. A "remake", we could say.

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PenguinTheYeti OP t1_ixwelh1 wrote

Replying to A_Swan_In_Da_Woods (#694,322)

That could be argued, but its existence in the first place was as a governmental function to simplify ruling the Western and Eastern halves of the Roman Empire. So, on a nitpicky technicality it was the Roman Empire, even if it was a bit different then the traditionally remembered Western Roman Empire.

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Important_Mission_12 t1_ixwfeyp wrote

Replying to PenguinTheYeti (#694,442)

Well, basically some people think that Fascist Italy was the continuation of the Roman empire (the land that was going to be taken was the same that used to be under the original empire) and this was a big propaganda and idea for Mussolini, obviously it didn't happen and Italy was beaten in 1943.

(That is the extent of my knowledge on this specific subject I'm afraid so if you seek anything else you may have to search it up or ask someone more qualified than me)

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Wildestrose1988 t1_ixwhvmi wrote

According to Wikipedia the Roman Empire collapsed in the 5th Century

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WeCanDoThisCNJ t1_ixwi7ki wrote

The Roman Catholic Church is still very much alive and well and they are a vestige of the Roman Empire.

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AnarkittenSurprise t1_ixwl8g1 wrote

We consider artifacts ancient, despite the fact they still exist?

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Usual_World4332 t1_ixwn6k4 wrote

Actually it didn't end in 1453, Mehmed the II. is declared Byzantine Emperor after he conquered Constantinople and recognized by Ecumenical Patriarchy of Constantinople. Also there was his medallion in British Museum, that later brought back to Turkey "Sultan Mohammed Ochtomani Bizantis Inperatoris"

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jamesgelliott t1_ixwng2e wrote

You are correct. Those people in the eastern part of the Roman empire considered themselves Romans even after the fall of Rome. In fact the city of Rome was retaken.

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Usual_World4332 t1_ixwuchl wrote

Replying to PenguinTheYeti (#696,287)

After the conquest of Constantinople, Mehmed claimed the title of caesar of the Roman Empire (Qayser-i Rûm), based on the assertion that Constantinople had been the seat and capital of the Roman Empire since 330 AD, and whoever possessed the Imperial capital was the ruler of the Empire.

In the mind of George of Trebizond, it was the possession of Constantinople that made Mehmed the legitimate Roman emperor: "no one can doubt that he is emperor of the Romans. He who holds the seat of empire in his hand is emperor of right; and Constantinople is the centre of the Roman Empire

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Boatwhistle t1_ixx6499 wrote

Various times in roman history were so different you could argue that they were fundamentally different countries/empires.

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zeroth1 t1_ixx8toq wrote

Even the start of the empire is closer in time to us than to the building of the Great Pyramid of Giza. A fact that always blows my mind.

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doppiogelato t1_ixxpp1a wrote

There are official remnants of the empire still active, like it’s church.

So technically, it either ended with Romulus in the 5th century or it never ended.

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MrLuxarina t1_ixyqgmm wrote

Or possibly in 1806, even if it wasn't very Roman or even very Empire-y.

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Yolo065 t1_ixyvkhk wrote

Roman Empire we talk about often refers only to the empire of Colossus, gladiators and Cesar which existed only in Ancient age.

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RunnyDischarge t1_ixzabop wrote

Rule one: any showerthought with technically in the title is wrong

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