The_Sown_Rose t1_j6ki2c8 wrote
Reply to comment by icelandichorsey in All of us have direct ancestors who survived 5 global mass extinctions and outlived the dinosaurs by Arinupa
To be fair to the anti-vax crowd, there is a certain negative logic in this: the vast majority of those ancestors, all but the last seven or so generations of them, survived all of that shit without vaccines, at least long enough to reproduce.
klonkrieger43 t1_j6kle4d wrote
yeah but a huge lot of them also died long before that.
The_Sown_Rose t1_j6klqpk wrote
How would that work? Everything alive today has an unbroken reproductive line back to the first life on earth, by definition absolutely none of anyone’s direct line ancestors died before reaching reproductive age.
klonkrieger43 t1_j6km5o9 wrote
I am not talking about direct ancestors, but ancestors. A lot of your great-great-great....-aunts and uncles died, because of lacking medicine hygiene, famine, war, accidents and a whole lot of other preventable reasons.
The argument that humanity survived before vaccines is like this dumb tweet that the black plague disappeared on its own. It just killed a third of Europe's population to do so.
kunbish t1_j6lfgpk wrote
Right but an antivaxxer might say something about the strong surviving, dont mess with nature, etc. that argument works in the simplest sense, because it disregards any ancestors that arent direct ones as weak and irrelevant lol. Obviously its a flawed argument when you think critically for more than three seconds.
spaceship247 t1_j6liwe3 wrote
That’s quite right and reputable medical journals such as The British Medical Journal consistently document the superiority of the bodies’ own immune response to being exposed to the virus via person to person transmission over the response produced by any of the current vaccines.
Those hundreds of millions/billions of years of evolution have given us immune systems far more complex and capable than that of an altered version of the virus.
icelandichorsey t1_j6lysyz wrote
Really? How many diseases have we wiped out before the vaccines and how many with?
Yeetthataccount_1118 t1_j6m889t wrote
We’ve wiped out two or three viruses. We didn’t have to deal too much with Tetanus or Polio now with vaccines.
spaceship247 t1_j6nbw5r wrote
Wiped out? Or gained immunity to?
Over billions of years? How many viruses? Compared to the 100 or so years of vaccination?
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