arrouk t1_j8muzpc wrote on February 15, 2023 at 2:04 PM

Reply to comment by Kiriann in EU Parliament votes to effectively ban new combustion engine cars by 2035 by saltyswedishmeatball

Let's not forget all the inefficiency in the manufacture of those vehicles and the efficiency of the power being generated.

Kiriann t1_j8mwe4w wrote on February 15, 2023 at 2:14 PM

> efficiency of the power being generated

That's what I said. Power plant are far more energy efficient than ICE vehicles (around 60%), and the electric car itself is about 90% energy efficient.

> Let's not forget all the inefficiency in the manufacture of those vehicles

Which would be almost the same as an ICE vehicle? Besides that, electric vehicle should last more than ICE ones.

An ICE vehicle transmission has around 20 moving parts in it's transmission, requires oil chance and a lot of maintenance. Electric vehicles' transmission consists of 3 parts and require way less maintenance.

A good battery also lasts a long time. TESLA batteries average capacity after 10 years of usage is around 90%.

Even the brake pads are better conserved in electric vehicles because of their electromagnet regenerative breaking.

arrouk t1_j8n27oz wrote on February 15, 2023 at 2:57 PM

No the carbon foot print of an ev is far higher than that of a conventional combustion engine car, especially when you also factor in the shipping of parts around the world to allow for construction.

Electric was never a good option tbh, the funding would have been far better spent developing hydrogen or bioethonol systems, bioethonal being very close to petrol but more efficient in volumetric efficiency and close to carbon neutral over a 3 year cycle with the added bonus of it being possible to also convert existing petrol vehicles lowering the costs over the next 10-15 considerably. Diesels can also be run on different heavy oils such as peanut oil, lowering their carbon foot print considerably

Edit because u/mjfi4cp2 blocked me.

>I actually thought it was closer to 4x the energy.

>There isn't the investment in in the process to do it cheaper though, remember before an eccentric billionaire spent a fortune on battery technology it was unbelievably expensive to build an electric car.

mjfi4cp2 t1_j91fke6 wrote on February 18, 2023 at 2:36 PM

Hydrogen: Using three times more energy per mile for no good reason