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mrchuckles5 t1_j9x30ku wrote

So die hard Californian here. Love this state despite its many flaws, and I’m definitely pro rail but this is a complete embarrassing shitshow. I’ve heard about this project for decades. It’s total bullshit.

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Shoot_from_the_Quip t1_j9xjdrh wrote

Hell, Metro Rail was started in 1990 and promised a train to the airport among other things.

33 years later and they're only now building the people mover in LAX.

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priznut t1_j9ziscf wrote

Projects like this take decades.

I call bullshit on this ignorant comment.

The big dig was first designed in 1982, it was completed in 2007.

Y’all need perspective.

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mrchuckles5 t1_j9zm0pc wrote

Interesting that you chose to cite the Big Dig, a project that was a complete fucking mess. Major cost overruns, leaks, deaths, ceiling collapse, several hundred million dollar lawsuits, etc. probably not the best example buddy.

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priznut t1_j9zmr4l wrote

Ugh did the japanese bullet train go way over budget?

Because I remember clearly it went waaaaaaaaaaay over budget.

Infrastructure projects are complicated projects that involve major public and private planning, development and cooperation.

I’m pretty sure most major projects go over budget or deal with problems as they deploy.

Some infrastructure projects just straight up fail (see places in the Middle East that don’t complete).

Y’all expect too much.

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Stardustchaser t1_ja04mfp wrote

Napa has been waiting for BART to get there since the 1950s. Brentwood finally got their line in 5 years ago….with outdated diesel technology and a rail not compatible with the electric line the rest of the BART system uses, so entirely different trains have to be used for this newer 10 mile stretch. Not what was promised.

So yes, when people see a shitshow they will call it.

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priznut t1_ja164q1 wrote

Lol dude it’s still better than nothing.

When I lived in Boston, I had to switch from one line to another system. A smelly trolley to the shaky box cars we know. And that’s just some of the switches you have to make.

I’d take what Brentwood had thank you.

I don’t necessarily disagree with your points. I do.

Regardless I feel folks are spoiled.

Also Napa does need better transit. But it is what it is and folks fought it.

If Bart to Brentwood is a shit show my commutes in Boston were a diarrhea box filled with vomit.

I’ll happily take crappy bart over many metro train systems.

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mordecai14 t1_j9yvq8f wrote

Seems very similar to the bullshit high speed rail being built here in the UK actually

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SilverNicktail t1_ja9ukmp wrote

Almost everything reported on this project is FUD bullshit, TBH. Oooh it's slow and over budget? Weird how we never get that reporting with highways, or the massive subsidies we hand to fossil fuel providers.

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mrchuckles5 t1_ja9zflu wrote

I’m not against the project. I’m just against seeing it turn into a nightmare like the BIg Dig in Boston.

Funny how in my city the PW projects for bridges and roads come in on time and on budget, sometimes even under but we can’t get that at the state level. 🤔

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Longey13 t1_j9y4mz6 wrote

If you look it up, they've been actively building for a bit now. There are plenty of regular video updates from the organization building it.

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Marston_vc t1_j9xvkh9 wrote

Construction has already started. Testing is meant to begin two years from now in 2025 and conclude in 2027. Given the scale and scope of this project, I think it’s okay that it’s taken a while.

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kaloskagathos21 t1_j9y6aaa wrote

Bullshit. While I’m glad construction has been occurring, China has put in over 20,000 km of hsr since 2008. It’s a joke how long infrastructure projects take here.

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InvisiblePhilosophy t1_j9yb9vy wrote

Well, we could be a dictatorship and just forcibly move entire population centers.

But I’m glad we don’t, even if I do get frustrated by Nimbys and how long infrastructure projects take.

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AquiliferX t1_j9zr7ir wrote

What happens when you don't need to deal with contractors and sub-contractors and sub-sub contractors. China can build infrastructure quickly thanks to central planning and vertical integration.

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