This is so good. Ukraine is very important because NATO needs its bases in good positions. Viva la Estonia and Ukraine, ignore that unreal amounts of corruption in both those countries, nothing to see there.

[deleted] t1_jb9fj26 wrote on March 7, 2023 at 12:46 PM

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HKSculpture t1_jb9hr5i wrote on March 7, 2023 at 1:07 PM

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"Unreal corruption" is about the right descriptor for Estonia that is ranked 14th least corrupt in the world with Canada and Iceland by 2023. Because there is very little really. While Ukraine on the other hand has problems with corruption it doesn't happen overnight that you shed the Russian influence and get to do things right. So, yes - nothing really to see here other than liberal parties gaining power in EE and UA fighting for it's life.

want_to_join t1_jb9rtk7 wrote on March 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM

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Replying to plssirnomore (#2,177,760)

NATO does not operate military bases, nor own any military equipment. It is only a coalition of countries willing to defend each other.

jobblejosh t1_jba0x36 wrote on March 7, 2023 at 3:32 PM

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Active in conspiracy subreddits, antivax, general wingnuttery.

Yeah, this checks out. Either a deliberate misinformer or a conspiracy idiot.

Nothing to see here, move along.

MasterBot98 t1_jbafzru wrote on March 7, 2023 at 5:12 PM

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Replying to plssirnomore (#2,177,760)

What stops NATO from nuking Russian right fucking now? Baltics exist. Huge range delivery systems exist. Submarines exist ffs.
"Expansion of NATO" argument is so fucking stupid, i swear to god.

plssirnomore t1_jbancx7 wrote on March 7, 2023 at 5:59 PM

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Replying to MasterBot98 (#2,179,421)

So America funds them 150 in 1year ( 5 bill for humanitarian) because they are good guys who always do the good thing in international conflicts?

Explorer335 t1_jbark5s wrote on March 7, 2023 at 6:25 PM

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Russia fuels the corruption in neighboring countries to weaken them and expand their own influence. Putin's territorial ambitions clearly extend beyond Ukraine, Belarus, and Moldova.

MasterBot98 t1_jbatjdw wrote on March 7, 2023 at 6:38 PM

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Replying to plssirnomore (#2,179,748)

No, because they are greedy (they also have good relations, but one thing breeds the other and it becomes circular logic). If you want to buy shit from Europe, for example, you would consider arming them with weapons (if there is any threat whatsoever). Cos you know, the best deterrent from war is having nukes and a standing army powerful enough so it isn't "worth it" to attack to gain an economical benefit. People rarely do good things' cos they themselves are good (although it happens obv), instead they do it cos it's worth it (or perceived to be worth it anyway).
Also, human motivations are complex, so US could be "partly" doing it believing it is ultimately the right thing to do, is it 0.0001% of motivation or 40%,who the fuck knows(probably mainly greed though).