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ins0ma_ t1_j06nm2s wrote

Reply to comment by Xellaha in Cancer mRNA vaccine completes pivotal trial by ILikeTasks

Interesting statement. On the face of it, someone in their right mind would be someone who follows the advice of the appropriate experts when it comes to medical science. This would mean favoring the use of vaccines, particularly mRNA ones, which have had such a spectacularly brilliant rollout due to Covid, and very little observable downside.

Why would you NOT trust this?

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[deleted] t1_j06r4ee wrote

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ins0ma_ t1_j06ryhh wrote

It seems that almost everything you've written here is dangerous misinformation.

Can you supply any references to scientific literature which support your extraordinary claims?

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vredvall t1_j06vw2s wrote

It is not misinformation. It is official Swedish numbers from https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/ and https://www.lakemedelsverket.se/sv/coronavirus/coronavaccin/rapporterade-misstankta-biverkningar-coronavaccin

But you’re not going to read it. Because you’ve taken the vaccine and you’re committed to your group and it’s leaders.

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ins0ma_ t1_j06wily wrote

>https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/

Thats great! Your own link contradicts your statements.

From your link:

"Vaccination protects you and others
The COVID-19 vaccination offers strong protection against serious illness. There is a slight risk that you can still get COVID-19 even if you have been vaccinated, although if you do, your symptoms will most likely be mild. Since the risk of becoming ill is low, it is also less likely that you will infect others. Experience from other countries has shown that the spread of infection decreases as more and more people are vaccinated. For this reason, vaccination is key to helping stop the pandemic...."

It continues. Did you even bother to read your own source material?

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rocketeerH t1_j06yc7q wrote

Obviously you’re not going to change that guys “mind,” but thank you for trying. Epic way to show him he’s wrong using his own link

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SilverNicktail t1_j07iv3w wrote

Hahaha this literally always happens. These people never, ever actually attempt to read or comprehend their sources. They just spot one thing somewhere official sounding, that they think agrees with them on a surface level, and then shout "AHA!"

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Top_Masterpiece_8992 t1_j06y1gq wrote

So I looked at your references and while I cannot say that I did an exhaustive review of the data, I can point out that having side effects from a vaccine does NOT mean you are vaccine injured. Many symptoms you get are not from diseases but from your immune response to abate them, so it make sense that if a vaccine mimics a disease that you would have symptoms.

Also, as I'm not Swedish it is hard to read the tables. Everything else is translated except for those so ib don't know exactly what conclusion they bring. So I cannot contest you on that front.

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vredvall t1_j071jg2 wrote

Yeah well I’m not lying about the numbers and I don’t expect you to learn a new language.

My initial comment was about the vaccines being “spectacular”. I find that comment insane.

My claim about injuries was anecdotal. Stroke like symptoms, severe migraines, miscarriage a sudden death and women having menstrual problems. I’d say those would be considered injuries. My point there was underreporting.

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Top_Masterpiece_8992 t1_j07e3az wrote

I agree that sudden death would be definitely an injury. However, COVID-19 infection can actually lead to disruption in menstrual cycles and headaches so I would infer the vaccine would have similar issues.

For the other stuff, yeah if it's underreported that would be a definite problem.

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inblue01 t1_j06srbp wrote

I was certainly not convinced by the general vaccination strategy, and I agree that the roll-out of these vaccines was probably precipitated, but the death rate of COVID without vaccines was 10 times higher during most of the pandemic than with it. Now in 2022, almost everyone has some sort of immunity against the disease, including unvaccinated people, which explains why there was not a big difference recently.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination Swiss data here, but it looks very similar in the US for example.

Pushing for general boosters now though? Massive joke.

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vredvall t1_j06wu21 wrote

Well the vaccines seemed to have an effect initially with the first variant. But even during delta you could make the case that nobody below 55 had any benefit taking the vaccine if not severely compromised by another illness. If the vaccines were as safe as people claim then I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But they’re not

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inblue01 t1_j06z2of wrote

>you could make the case that nobody below 55 had any benefit taking the vaccine if not severely compromised by another illness

Somewhat agree, thus why I was truly irritated by the general vaccination strategy. Yet, I still think that most people generally benefit from vaccination. For example, a very common argument by anti-vaccine people is the risk of pericarditis after vaccination, which is indeed a reality. What they fail to realize is that there is also a risk of pericarditis from COVID, and that risk is much higher than from the vaccine.

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(22)00453-6/fulltext

Let's also not forget the sometimes severe (and also unreported) potential consequences of long COVID.

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Star_x_Child t1_j07798g wrote

Not disagreeing with you, but I just want to add something to this, because I think it's relevant. There is a risk of pericarditis caused by viruses in general. I'll add my own anecdote, as an example, but there were plenty of people with pericarditis before Covid. In late 2020 (before vaccination rollout) I had post viral pericarditis (as in, pericarditis that came as an autoimmune response to a viral illness), and there was no evidence that I had had Covid prior to that. I'd been tested for Covid a bunch both before and during my initial pericarditis bout, but there were no signs it was from any of that. However, there were signs that I had gotten it as an autoimmune response to a cold-like illness. I had had the common cold about a month prior, and 3 different cardiologists, an infectious diseases Dr, and multiple internal medicine doctors all came to the conclusion (after about 3 in house Covid tests) that it was actually the cold that caused this.

I say this because I think people have some misconception that pericarditis is a new disease entirely. It isn't. Pericardial issues have been going on for a while and they can basically result from any illness, viral, parasitic, or fungal, that causes inflammation. It's not common, but it happens.

Getting vaccinated didn't trigger my pericarditis to recur, but every time I got sick with a cold or flu it would result in a recurrence the last 2 years. That doesn't mean the vaccines can't trigger it, but I think it's worth noting that the human body is capable of responding to just about anything perceived as a foreign attack in complex and unexpected ways.

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inblue01 t1_j07ast7 wrote

Oh absolutely. I was hospitalized in 2005 after acute chest and left arm pain following 10+ days of a horrendous tonsilitis : myopericarditis. Scary stuff.

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Star_x_Child t1_j07gtc1 wrote

Oh, that sucks! Sorry you went through that, even 17 years ago. DX

I remember quietly wondering if I was having a heart attack for several days a few times off and on. I went to the ER, they said my EKG was fine, Covid negative, went home and after a week it settled. Fast forward a few months, the same issue recurred, I came back to the same ER about it, they saw my EKG and told me I likely had pericarditis, but what's worse, is the doctor on call said he looked at my past EKG and said it matched; they'd missed my pericarditis diagnosis months prior. It sucked. And the meds just sent me back to the hospital again and again. XD

Did you end up on colchicine, too?

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