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Xellaha t1_j062nz4 wrote

At this point who in their right mind would trust this?

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Unlikely-Storm-4745 t1_j06bpgy wrote

Our bodies produces constantly cancer cells, the reason why we don't get constantly cancer is that our immune system detect those cancer cells and kills them. So the main reason why you get cancer is that your immune system failed, so it makes the most sense is to improve your immune system to detect cancer. I knew about the mRNA vaccine before COVID, and the reason why I was excited about this is not for an universal flu vaccine but it is the blueprint for an universal cancer cure.

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AutumnSunshiiine t1_j06jnkd wrote

An awful lot of people who have been diagnosed with cancer would trust it. I would. Consider yourself lucky you’ve obviously not had a cancer diagnosis.

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nzstrawman t1_j07mxwi wrote

prior to witnessing so many idiots over the Covid vaccine, I would have said everyone would think it's a no brainer

Now I"m thinking of all those "pure bloods" dying of cancer instead of Covid!

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Promethiaus t1_j07q0d2 wrote

Covid is not comparable to cancer

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nzstrawman t1_j07qorc wrote

this vaccine is very comparable to exactly what the Covidiots were complaining about with their conspiracy theories and mRNA vaccine

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Promethiaus t1_j08dzuy wrote

Right but if I’ve got cancer I’m getting the vaccine, if I got Covid the vaccine wouldn’t immediately do anything for me. This is more of a treatment, unlike Covid vaccine was a preventative. That’s what I’m talking about

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PaulEDangerously t1_j06hi8d wrote

Not you so don't get it then. Allow others to make that decision for themselves.

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Prior_Woodpecker635 t1_j071t95 wrote

Truly, that is the only way with ANY MRNA vaccine. Personalized healthcare must be the standard

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PaulEDangerously t1_j075qnm wrote

If your condition is personal then yes, if it is not and can effect others then no.

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Prior_Woodpecker635 t1_j2aii8i wrote

Agreed, we have vaccines that do that and have saved millions from suffering needlessly. COVID MRNA does not meet that mark and the data is very clear. Respectfully, I don’t want to assume that’s your talking point, but it does pan a little with the misinformation about this vaccine that still persists ie- about protecting others. On paper and in waking life with friends and family it does not produce the effects touted by the experts in gov. Does not stop transmission in most… does not stop most from getting it. May stop a certain % sure, but it is no where near a silver bullet for Carte Blanche mandates. For reference you can look at vaccination rates in Uttar Pradesh/ Israel/ Uganda and find their statistics do tell a story of Covid response and their effects on those populations with regard to transmission.

Our government (assuming your American)fumbled this emergency.. full stop. I’m concerned that a portion of our society has been captured by bad information. From “its just a flu”.. to “the vaccine should be mandated” ..even for school aged children. They are both wrong and there isn’t a shred of data for either that withstood actual scientific scrutiny and the evidence of our eyes and ears… without special interests or politicization entered in. It’s been two years of lip service on a shaky concept and that’s a hard pill to swallow. I’ve come around myself after being in the Vaccinate campaign camp. The premise was BS and I bought it. I admit it.

People at large need to be able to change their minds when the best information is available and direct. The unadulterated info and Occam’s razor seem to jive here. The term misinformation has been appropriated by one sect of society as a crutch for outdated thinking.

Damned be the Reddit Karma. If you haven’t heard this perspective, then consider it a duty from someone who cares about you.. albeit over the Internet.

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PaulEDangerously t1_j2ak8hf wrote

The talking point of “it didn’t stop it” you’re right it didn’t but it diminished the severity and transmission. There’s just too much here for me to spend my day off explaining to you so hopefully whoever reads your response and mine will go to a .org or .gov website with reputable sources like CDC or papers procured by well respected hospitals. Luckily you aren’t the one making healthcare decisions for others. Goodbye.

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Uncle_Charnia t1_j0658ys wrote

There are genes in our DNA that we don't use, for various reasons. When the mutations that cause cancer switch the genes on, then the cancer cells display fragments of the proteins that those genes code for. This gives the body's immune system something to attack. They draw some blood, isolate a few cancer cells, and look for targets. If there are any targets, they can craft a vaccine that makes the body attack them better.

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ins0ma_ t1_j06nm2s wrote

Interesting statement. On the face of it, someone in their right mind would be someone who follows the advice of the appropriate experts when it comes to medical science. This would mean favoring the use of vaccines, particularly mRNA ones, which have had such a spectacularly brilliant rollout due to Covid, and very little observable downside.

Why would you NOT trust this?

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ins0ma_ t1_j06ryhh wrote

It seems that almost everything you've written here is dangerous misinformation.

Can you supply any references to scientific literature which support your extraordinary claims?

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vredvall t1_j06vw2s wrote

It is not misinformation. It is official Swedish numbers from https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/ and https://www.lakemedelsverket.se/sv/coronavirus/coronavaccin/rapporterade-misstankta-biverkningar-coronavaccin

But you’re not going to read it. Because you’ve taken the vaccine and you’re committed to your group and it’s leaders.

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ins0ma_ t1_j06wily wrote

>https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/

Thats great! Your own link contradicts your statements.

From your link:

"Vaccination protects you and others
The COVID-19 vaccination offers strong protection against serious illness. There is a slight risk that you can still get COVID-19 even if you have been vaccinated, although if you do, your symptoms will most likely be mild. Since the risk of becoming ill is low, it is also less likely that you will infect others. Experience from other countries has shown that the spread of infection decreases as more and more people are vaccinated. For this reason, vaccination is key to helping stop the pandemic...."

It continues. Did you even bother to read your own source material?

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rocketeerH t1_j06yc7q wrote

Obviously you’re not going to change that guys “mind,” but thank you for trying. Epic way to show him he’s wrong using his own link

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SilverNicktail t1_j07iv3w wrote

Hahaha this literally always happens. These people never, ever actually attempt to read or comprehend their sources. They just spot one thing somewhere official sounding, that they think agrees with them on a surface level, and then shout "AHA!"

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Top_Masterpiece_8992 t1_j06y1gq wrote

So I looked at your references and while I cannot say that I did an exhaustive review of the data, I can point out that having side effects from a vaccine does NOT mean you are vaccine injured. Many symptoms you get are not from diseases but from your immune response to abate them, so it make sense that if a vaccine mimics a disease that you would have symptoms.

Also, as I'm not Swedish it is hard to read the tables. Everything else is translated except for those so ib don't know exactly what conclusion they bring. So I cannot contest you on that front.

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vredvall t1_j071jg2 wrote

Yeah well I’m not lying about the numbers and I don’t expect you to learn a new language.

My initial comment was about the vaccines being “spectacular”. I find that comment insane.

My claim about injuries was anecdotal. Stroke like symptoms, severe migraines, miscarriage a sudden death and women having menstrual problems. I’d say those would be considered injuries. My point there was underreporting.

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Top_Masterpiece_8992 t1_j07e3az wrote

I agree that sudden death would be definitely an injury. However, COVID-19 infection can actually lead to disruption in menstrual cycles and headaches so I would infer the vaccine would have similar issues.

For the other stuff, yeah if it's underreported that would be a definite problem.

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inblue01 t1_j06srbp wrote

I was certainly not convinced by the general vaccination strategy, and I agree that the roll-out of these vaccines was probably precipitated, but the death rate of COVID without vaccines was 10 times higher during most of the pandemic than with it. Now in 2022, almost everyone has some sort of immunity against the disease, including unvaccinated people, which explains why there was not a big difference recently.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination Swiss data here, but it looks very similar in the US for example.

Pushing for general boosters now though? Massive joke.

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vredvall t1_j06wu21 wrote

Well the vaccines seemed to have an effect initially with the first variant. But even during delta you could make the case that nobody below 55 had any benefit taking the vaccine if not severely compromised by another illness. If the vaccines were as safe as people claim then I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But they’re not

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inblue01 t1_j06z2of wrote

>you could make the case that nobody below 55 had any benefit taking the vaccine if not severely compromised by another illness

Somewhat agree, thus why I was truly irritated by the general vaccination strategy. Yet, I still think that most people generally benefit from vaccination. For example, a very common argument by anti-vaccine people is the risk of pericarditis after vaccination, which is indeed a reality. What they fail to realize is that there is also a risk of pericarditis from COVID, and that risk is much higher than from the vaccine.

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(22)00453-6/fulltext

Let's also not forget the sometimes severe (and also unreported) potential consequences of long COVID.

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Star_x_Child t1_j07798g wrote

Not disagreeing with you, but I just want to add something to this, because I think it's relevant. There is a risk of pericarditis caused by viruses in general. I'll add my own anecdote, as an example, but there were plenty of people with pericarditis before Covid. In late 2020 (before vaccination rollout) I had post viral pericarditis (as in, pericarditis that came as an autoimmune response to a viral illness), and there was no evidence that I had had Covid prior to that. I'd been tested for Covid a bunch both before and during my initial pericarditis bout, but there were no signs it was from any of that. However, there were signs that I had gotten it as an autoimmune response to a cold-like illness. I had had the common cold about a month prior, and 3 different cardiologists, an infectious diseases Dr, and multiple internal medicine doctors all came to the conclusion (after about 3 in house Covid tests) that it was actually the cold that caused this.

I say this because I think people have some misconception that pericarditis is a new disease entirely. It isn't. Pericardial issues have been going on for a while and they can basically result from any illness, viral, parasitic, or fungal, that causes inflammation. It's not common, but it happens.

Getting vaccinated didn't trigger my pericarditis to recur, but every time I got sick with a cold or flu it would result in a recurrence the last 2 years. That doesn't mean the vaccines can't trigger it, but I think it's worth noting that the human body is capable of responding to just about anything perceived as a foreign attack in complex and unexpected ways.

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inblue01 t1_j07ast7 wrote

Oh absolutely. I was hospitalized in 2005 after acute chest and left arm pain following 10+ days of a horrendous tonsilitis : myopericarditis. Scary stuff.

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Star_x_Child t1_j07gtc1 wrote

Oh, that sucks! Sorry you went through that, even 17 years ago. DX

I remember quietly wondering if I was having a heart attack for several days a few times off and on. I went to the ER, they said my EKG was fine, Covid negative, went home and after a week it settled. Fast forward a few months, the same issue recurred, I came back to the same ER about it, they saw my EKG and told me I likely had pericarditis, but what's worse, is the doctor on call said he looked at my past EKG and said it matched; they'd missed my pericarditis diagnosis months prior. It sucked. And the meds just sent me back to the hospital again and again. XD

Did you end up on colchicine, too?

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Decepticum t1_j06pem8 wrote

I had cancer and put full trust in the team of surgeons, oncologists and nurses during my journey. It is the reason why I am still alive.

Truly hope you will be spared of this experience.

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Decepticum t1_j06p58a wrote

If people would only put a fraction of the distrust they have in research into other sectors like food, tobacco, alcohol, energy, etc.... It would definitely be more fitting.

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Prior_Woodpecker635 t1_j071zbi wrote

Very very well said… as I put my leftovers in styrofoam in the microwave. Jkjk

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pattyG80 t1_j06zvix wrote

Both my parents died horribly from cancer. I can trust you will have wished for a vaccine when you or a loved one is dying from it

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kebaabe t1_j06wt80 wrote

Everybody save for a couple of retards on the internet.

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andagoat t1_j0715gu wrote

I'm confident my cousin's family who just watched her die of cancer at barely over 30 years old wished that there had been anything else they could have tried.

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