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Scat_fiend t1_j3uvp2t wrote

So they must cut emissions but actually they don't have to because we gave them a loophole.

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Mysterious_Emotion t1_j3vdeep wrote

….er, so how is this uplifting? Also not really news…basically what companies do anyways…very similar, if not the same as just buying carbon credits?

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Scat_fiend t1_j3vdx3e wrote

Exactly. It's not uplifting at all. It's quite disastrous actually.

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Scuba_jim t1_j3we6xo wrote

Carbon offsets are a good way to go about it; reduces short term pressure while building long term carbon offset resources.

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sg3niner t1_j3utgzk wrote

Offsets are scams that don't actually do anything.

They're not cutting their emissions.

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Holgg t1_j3vr15f wrote

This is the biggest problem. Wish there was more control here and steep fines for breaking the cutt values. Like paying for 100x the difference in direct air capture and permanent storage.

That way offsets companies may actually care about getting the offset to somthing we can trust

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cielofnaze t1_j40zprt wrote

Like electric car is a scam, sustainable farming , and Greta fighting climate change when it is convenient. Totally a scam

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notevensorrybro t1_j3u7jvr wrote

Offsets.. like buying up land in nz and destroying it with pine tree's.. not really uplifting tbh

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Y34rZer0 t1_j3uumzw wrote

Do you know what’s super depressing? Looking at a chart of greenhouse gas producers by country.

Australia barely registers compared with China, who’s nearly putting out more than the whole rest of the world combined.

I want to do my bit for the environment, but it’s depressing when you find out it has almost negligable impact

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faciepalm t1_j3v6h51 wrote

You know what's super depressing? People acting like if china did someone it would all be okay. The secret is china is actually doing a lot, while the real polluters, fossil fuel companies, are not even being fucking thought about. Australia has actively taken steps in the past decade to help the guys contributing to climate change do it faster, because they have been controlled by murdoch funded shills to their coal industry.

For once China is actually doing something right only because it's government knows and has prepared to be a shining beacon for it's people. Fuck the CCP, but don't even bother acting like other countries (especially Australia) aren't doing fuck all about it

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Y34rZer0 t1_j3v6p3i wrote

To be honest, I don’t believe anything China says about what it’s doing internally anymore.

I’m just going from a chart from a Quick google search

I do agree though that industry and profit I’ve been allowed to run rampant over what’s better for the environment, it’s ridiculous.

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faciepalm t1_j3v7917 wrote

Yeah, most charts show that they are levelling off from there and I am definitely not denying that China has to do a lot. But Fossil fuel companies are the sole holders of blame, as well as autocratic nations that use fossil fuels as their sources of income like UAE, saudi arabia and russia. Their money needs to be taken and used to replace fossil fuel usages like coal power plants and diesel based transport.

What's really depressing to me is knowing it's going to take decades from the point of "oh fuck this is the biggest issue for humanity" to actually begin to reverse emissions and I don't even know if we are there yet. I can't fucking understand the amount of climate denying bullshit showing up, probably riding on the backs of the antivaxxer crowds

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Y34rZer0 t1_j3v7j2t wrote

Well I think the UAE would just point out the US should stop purchasing that fossil fuels rather than them stop selling them, that’s a bit of a stretch..

Don’t stress too much, I want saw a chart the estimated when we would achieve interplanetary colonisation versus the speed we are wrecking the planet, And we’re not even gonna come close to making it

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faciepalm t1_j3v7xip wrote

I don't believe there isn't money from UAE etc being funneled towards anti-climate change propaganda. It's all about getting the people to not care, so they can vote for politicians who don't care

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Y34rZer0 t1_j3v8rcs wrote

most likely, I don’t think there’s any separation between the people selling your oil and the people buying it either, the only colour both sides care about is the colour of money

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Mysterious_Emotion t1_j3ve9wa wrote

Emissions reversal ain’t happening within our lifetime, nor our children’s lifetime….maybe in their children’s lifetime, but that could be a stretch by a large margin. Oil companies seem to be hinging their bets on carbon capture (at least one of their big bets), so they think eventually they can make it a “closed loop” system, emit, capture, emit, capture in an ever ongoing cycle, so in the meantime, it’s full steam ahead for them drilling, refining, emitting, all while majority of consumers will continue to use. Until the societies finds a way to run the world through some other economic means, the Earth is gonna get major wrecked.

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faciepalm t1_j3vflwl wrote

Carbon capture without alternative energy source is literally virtue signalling too. That's what their hydrogen bullshit is about too, natural gas converted to hydrogen while still releasing the same amount of carbon dioxide. Oil companies are not trying to help at all and they dont even deserve to help, all their money, assets etc should be stripped off them and used towards actual preventative measures.

When I meant the oh shit climate change is a real issue moment that's when millions are starving, regions are getting hammered so often they cant even repair etc. When the polar ice is already long gone

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Mysterious_Emotion t1_j3vgted wrote

Won’t have to wait that long. Polar icecaps are still around and it’s already happening. Mass extinction events, micro-plastics and synthetic toxic chemicals in all corners of the world, including living things like us, mountains upon mountains of waste from all industries piled up in backwater countries, facilities and infrastructures not able to keep up and withstand climate swings, many people dying….gonna be a pretty amazing fireworks display to look forward to.

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GFere t1_j3x0i5d wrote

don't forget Europe and USA have been polluting air for much longer, they're the reason we're in this situation

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killcat t1_j3uzaer wrote

Yeah this is political theater, and a tax grab, now if the money raised was used to get the country ready for the coming world.

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Llanite t1_j3viidg wrote

If China stop producing your crap and your country has to make them yourself, yours will be up there with the rest of the manufacturing world.

China literally produces stuff for entire world to use and their emission per capita doesn't even get into top 40. Something to think about.

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Y34rZer0 t1_j3vitmw wrote

Then why are they the largest single greenhouse gas produces?

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Llanite t1_j3vixtv wrote

Because they have more people? Half of Chinese population doesn't even own a gasoline vehicle or AC and their diet is 60% vegetable.

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Y34rZer0 t1_j3vk49r wrote

I’m not blaming the Chinese people, but I have zero faith in the current leadership

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Llanite t1_j3vket1 wrote

Why faith? 🤷‍♂️

If you're buying plastic bags, they will make plastic bags. If you buy paper bags, they will make paper bags. They literally onlu make what you want to buy. It's not like they produce stuff and shove it into a blackhole.

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Y34rZer0 t1_j3voc4b wrote

Faith in what they say being true.

I don’t mean to get into the morals of it completely, I just meant to say that when I saw our greenhouse emissions were Drop in the ocean compared to what they put out it was disheartening. I’m sad for the planet I guess..

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Tenton_12 t1_j40end6 wrote

If you take into account our fossil fuel exports, and that we still cut down more trees than what we plant were a big contributor to global carbon emissions.

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Y34rZer0 t1_j40fynx wrote

That’s what I thought but in 2019 Australia had 380 Mt of carbon emissions in total (not per capita).
China had just under 10 000 Mt and are on the way up because they’re industrialising.

I won’t just paste a heap of my own confirmation bias here lol but it’s just another frustrating detail about how our planet is getting the shit kicked out of it 😖

We definitely should’ve gone for the extended warranty back at the start

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wowbragger t1_j3vzdn2 wrote

Offsets, credits, all of it comes back to elaborate shell games to pretend there's a change. Cut emissions or at least stop pretending.

And only 5%?!

How is this uplifting to anyone except the execs in these companies?

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Whatsmyageagain24 t1_j3weac1 wrote

Oh look, the biggest polluters get away with it again whilst the common person is expected to change everything about their life and spend more money in trying to reduce their emissions.

Imagine how far we'd have come if governments weren't folded over the table by large corporations.

It's time governments fucking grew a pair.

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