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YukonTerror t1_iug9nxt wrote

Apparently nobody on here is a mountaineer or climber of any kind. You guys know there are people in this world who are sure footed as a mountain goat, spend huge amounts of their free time get this… OFF TRAIL and actually seeking out the vertical world. So take your personal risk tolerance, and use it to make personal decisions. It’s unfair for people who have no confidence in their physical body to make risk assessments for someone who could be a goddamn athlete

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Huge_Requirement9200 t1_iugnda4 wrote

Ugh fuck off dude this is a mile from the trailhead. I know you probably send super hard and do CrossFit and ski miur in the same day or whatever, but that isn't the point now is it?

We all go off trail to climb. The point here is that this is a very, very popular waterfall where people have died from this exact circumstance.

I'm sure you take your toddler free soloing in j tree too.

/vom

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darlantan t1_iuhiwvb wrote

Is it? I could've sworn there was a bit of trail that hooks around out of frame on the right (and gives other vantages) and allows access to that area from above and behind out of frame, basically going down a small bank before the falls.

Been a couple years since I've been there, so perhaps I'm mistaking it for another set of falls though.

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YukonTerror t1_iugocp2 wrote

Literally the most annoying thing I find on Reddit, is people telling other people how they need to live their lives

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YukonTerror t1_iugo12n wrote

The kid would be much better off in bean bag with an iPad surly. How about this, it’s OKAY that people die sometimes when they do stupid things, that’s the consequence. But negotiating obstacles like this, with an infant is well within our capabilities and DNA, go back 3 or 4 generations and see.

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MisterIceGuy t1_iugdeue wrote

Or perhaps people on here with climbing experience still recognize that carrying a child in that situation is irresponsible regardless of how much of a mountain goat you think you are.

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YukonTerror t1_iugn2dd wrote

Still sound like a weakling bro. My whole life I’ve been climbing including as a child. This child is in no danger. It’s probably more irresponsible to drive with your child on the freeway. But by all means, shelter your children to the detriment of all primordial instinct

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snark t1_iugpche wrote

Are you really really really sure you want to be preaching to people about "taking risks" there amigo?

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YukonTerror t1_iujkkdz wrote

A lot of people have herpes bro, life happens to everyone regardless of the risks they take. I was cheated on in a monogamous relationship and got herpes, but guess what my life is still fucking awesome and I still have sex. You think because I have herpes you’ve caught me in some gotcha moment about risk taking? Well guess what I still don’t fucking do, tell other people how they need to manage their own sex life, which is the point here

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KevinCarbonara t1_iuggtzu wrote

> You guys know there are people in this world who are sure footed as a mountain goat

Yeah. They're called goats. That's not a power humans are capable of.

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YukonTerror t1_iugnnq8 wrote

😂 yes, humans are incapable of climbing. If only we shared some genetic lineage with primates, then we could learn to walk in the wilderness with our children. Goats are a good example of capable climbers, but you know what else is? HUMANS. there are literally people living in the Amazon right now who carry their fucking kids up and down trees and across ravines daily. The fact all these people down voting me are soft bodied pale skinned desk dwellers doesn’t take away the instinct and amazing capabilities of real people

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JoeBlob13 t1_iuifftk wrote

Since ive moved to Washington from Colorado, I've noticed how much the hiking sucks in comparison. I've climbed quite a few places all over Colorado and spend a lot of time hiking to the top of mountains without trails.

Here in Washington, you have to pay to use the park, can only go on trails, trails are much much more sparse, much less mountains, and the people will cry about anything if you even go a tiny bit off trail.

I am absolutely aware if the potential dangers I've put myself through. It's how I learn. But to be so guarded here is a big disappointment.

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YukonTerror t1_iujl7ds wrote

You have to get further from the accessible spots where the average r/Washington Reddit user can access before their lungs collapse. There’s plenty of raw wilderness here where you don’t have to worry about soft bodied #PNWanderer geeks reimagining what it means to be a safe human.

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