haunted_waffles t1_j9kumu2 wrote
Reply to comment by dupattaluella in Trans Girl looking for a hairstylist who is knowledgeable about working with Trans people by Jade_of_the_Sea36
It’s mostly because certain styles of haircut are categorized as “for men” or “for women.” For example, a trans man who hasn’t medically transitioned might go to a salon for a men’s short haircut, but leave with a pixie cut because their stylist either (1) assumed that’s what they wanted because they perceive the client as a woman or (2) are actively transphobic and gave them a feminine haircut on purpose to make them conform to their assigned gender (or to just be mean). Also, it is not fun to have someone who is hostile (transphobic) towards you cut your hair in general.
dupattaluella t1_j9kvw3p wrote
I think people put too much thought and time into this. With all the variety in hairstyles across all genders nowadays, I don't think you can say hair is gendered anymore.
Wendon t1_j9kwp3d wrote
You are literally arguing with everyone on this post about it so maybe you should look in the mirror here and do some reflection as to why your gut instinct when a trans person is asking for stylist recs why you feel the need to turn it into a political discussion
outb0undflight t1_j9o9j20 wrote
>maybe you should look in the mirror here and do some reflection as to why your gut instinct when a trans person is asking for stylist recs why you feel the need to turn it into a political discussion
Every time this person posts it devolves into a desperate attempt to prove how much smarter they are than everyone else. Leftists, feminists, people who got the COVID vaccine, their electric company...it's honestly kind of fascinating. I've never seen someone JAQ themselves off this hard.
I'll be honest, I do not believe they're trolling, I've seen their post history...they're just like this.
Wendon t1_j9ocgsj wrote
Yeah I mean, "trolling" is understating the severity, they're a grade-A grifter asshole if you look at all of their responses and then read the edit on the parent post. No idea what compels someone to suck this badly, seems boring.
dupattaluella t1_j9ky07a wrote
I'm saying I don't believe hair is gendered and don't understand why this is a big issue. I keep getting met with reiterating that hair is gendered. It's not a good explanation. And how is this political when I'm saying I see a variety of haircuts on people nowadays? That's not political, that's an observation.
Wendon t1_j9kyu3z wrote
If one person in a room doesn't think hair is gendered and literally everyone else in the room thinks it is, how are you concluding that hair isn't gendered
dupattaluella t1_j9l09x3 wrote
Maybe I know different people than you. Everyone I know doesn't see gender based on hair. That's very sexist imo. It's like making a judgement of how someone will behave based on their hairstyle, what their voice will sound like, what genitalia they have, etc. It's not right.
Wendon t1_j9l0o3o wrote
I'm gonna drop out of this now because I know with 100% certainty that you are being deliberately combative about this, and know what you are doing. The reason OP is asking for a trans-friendly hair stylist is because they don't want to get a haircut from someone like you.
dupattaluella t1_j9l1sf4 wrote
Nope. It's crazy to me how many people, like yourself, assume someone's gender on their hairstyle.
Wendon t1_j9l2pc2 wrote
Literally not a single person on this thread said that. You are being deliberately obtuse. You know for an absolute fact that you are being a debate bro about this. OP asked a simple question and you turned it into a debate, I hope I never meet someone like you IRL. Cannot imagine deliberately being a dickhead on purpose to someone looking for help, I'm just not built like that.
dupattaluella t1_j9l9j2r wrote
You, and others, are saying hairstyles are gendered. You've even stated some hairstyles are feminine. That means you identify someone's gender by their hairstyle. I'm not the one who sees gender in hairstyles.
haunted_waffles t1_j9kxdoh wrote
Anyone can have any hairstyle for sure. But hair styles are a part of how people express their genders. And when you are talking about different hairstyles in the context of going to a salon, different styles are currently considered more feminine or masculine. And unfortunately there are stylists who simply won’t give people they perceive as men “women’s” haircuts and vice versa. So, for trans people to actually get the styles they want when they visit the salon, they need to make sure the stylist will actually be willing to give them those hairstyles. It would be nice if this wasn’t a problem trans people face, but right now it is.
dupattaluella t1_j9kzk8j wrote
>So, for trans people to actually get the styles they want when they visit the salon, they need to make sure the stylist will actually be willing to give them those hairstyles.
Maybe I've just never encountered this, but I don't know any hairstylist who won't take your money and give you the hairstyle you want. They may ask if you're sure you want to take 10 inches off or go from black to blonde hair, but that's usually because it's such a drastic change and they want to be sure before they start messing with your hair. Most hairstylists will gladly give you what you want in exchange for you giving them money.
haunted_waffles t1_j9lm02b wrote
Yeah unfortunately it is a real thing trans people deal with. I’m glad you haven’t personally faced this problem, but it is an experience that is real for others.
dupattaluella t1_j9m4x8k wrote
It's crazy to me what some people on here were saying to me about hairstyles equating to gender. I've never been around people who assume gender based on hairstyles. I don't see an issue with anyone having a hairstyle they want, no matter how they identify.
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