Submitted by New_Analyst3510 t3_10odx8h in WorcesterMA
your_city_councilor t1_j6ev4ew wrote
Not to be rude, but what's the point? While the act was horrible, that police department doesn't have any jurisdiction here, nor do we have any influence over that police department, and the cops have all already been charged with murder. What could the demonstration actually do?
EDIT: Nice. Downvote without actually answering the question.
CoolAbdul t1_j6f7de1 wrote
Because it's a chronic situation and needs to change.
your_city_councilor t1_j6g1v0o wrote
But what does a group of people holding signs and, likely, chanting do?
Eve617 t1_j6g5mub wrote
Yeah, I get you, in a pessimistic state I'd say it will get us nothing. If instead I choose optimism and hope, then I have to say that demonstrations have caused change to happen. The older I get the more I realize that neutrality, or doing nothing or not having an opinion, is no longer an option.
your_city_councilor t1_j6g7yuk wrote
But...isn't just going to a demonstration kind of neutral, if it doesn't accomplish anything?
Better to work to get good candidates elected or something along those lines. A bill enacted in the city/state/country, etc.
k-squeez t1_j6giu3h wrote
It's never just about the protest. Protests are usually part of a larger effort. The efficacy of protests varies. They can yield immediate results, they can take years to build momentum, they can be quashed or quickly forgotten. but at the very least they let a community know that some of it's members care about something. It connects people and fosters further work on the issue. If anyone else in the community is concerned about this thing but isolated, now they know they have a community and path to doing work on the issue. It's a single part of many types of effort and activism that can bring eventual change.
your_city_councilor t1_j6j9oxx wrote
Okay, but a protest doesn't really garner any more attention than a post on Facebook or something. What's the overall strategy?
New_Analyst3510 OP t1_j6gahgf wrote
It's peaceful and raises awareness
guybehindawall t1_j6i5fhz wrote
I mean, if people all over the country didn't come out and protest after George Floyd's murder, do you really think the officers involved in Tyre's murder would already be fired and arrested? Arrested even before the video came out?
The department's behavior was an acknowledgement that they were under public scrutiny, and protests should continue to remind governments that they are still under public scrutiny.
your_city_councilor t1_j6irb72 wrote
>I mean, if people all over the country didn't come out and protest after George Floyd's murder, do you really think the officers involved in Tyre's murder would already be fired and arrested? Arrested even before the video came out?
Cheap_Coffee t1_j6hveo9 wrote
So... charging the cops and taking them to trial is a bad start?
CoolAbdul t1_j6hz6tt wrote
False premise. No one is saying charging the cops is a bad start. No one is suggesting that at all. What people are saying is that the problem is *institutional*, and this incident is merely a symptom of a larger problem.
Cheap_Coffee t1_j6idl5m wrote
Agreed that it's a systemic problem. The question we're responding to is "
what's the point of a protest when the right things are happening.
It's not fast enough? We should skip the trial and just hang them?
The problem with protests is that there are so many of them that they have become effectively meaningless.
CoolAbdul t1_j6j6jhq wrote
Protests sparked the Civil Rights Act.
Protests ended the misadventure in Vietnam.
Protests resulted in anti-discrimination laws.
Legit results.
Doesn't seem meaningless to me.
Cheap_Coffee t1_j6miswo wrote
I notice you had to reach back 50 years for examples.
CoolAbdul t1_j6mpp5i wrote
I used the most prominent examples, but if you want more recent examples that were brought about by public pressure, you can cite job discrimination on the basis of orientation, which has been banned nationwide since 2020, or the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell (2012). But also, your response, citing the time frame, is a logical fallacy as it doesn't speak to the efficacy of public sentiment and public pressure.
Cheap_Coffee t1_j6mqmkf wrote
How about Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter... oh, nevermind.
We each pick our beliefs.
CoolAbdul t1_j6mqsau wrote
Well, the former definitely didn't take hold. The latter... it remains to be seen if any real change results.
Boxziti t1_j6kkev9 wrote
It is a chronic situation in Democratic run city's.
CoolAbdul t1_j6kve2n wrote
what is?
Felatio_Sanz t1_j6fp50a wrote
I downvotes and was gonna respond but the dinner party episode of Frazier just came on. I don’t like what you said but HAHA Marty is the man. Love when he sticks it to Niles. I love this show.
Eve617 t1_j6f0mb6 wrote
Because police violence is out of control and getting worse instead of better. Police and politicians need to know that we're watching and we care about what they're doing. The militarization of police needs to stop. Also, who do you think is paying for all of these jury awards? You and me baby.
your_city_councilor t1_j6g1smn wrote
Okay, but what is the demonstration going to do? You say "police need to know," but it is common knowledge that people are unhappy with the police.
CoolAbdul t1_j6kvhwm wrote
AG is a political office...and there is where public pressure makes an impact.
your_city_councilor t1_j6lr8vj wrote
What do you want Joe Early to do about things that happened in other parts of the country?
k-squeez t1_j6gjb7h wrote
To add to my reply deeper in this thread; this is part of a national problem and indeed a problem here too.
New_Analyst3510 OP t1_j6ga92u wrote
I'm answering your question I've been busy most of the day, point is, protest till conviction
Cheap_Coffee t1_j6hvmcc wrote
Have fun storming the castle!
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