Submitted by Robbeee t3_115v009 in askscience
If a person had an internal hemorrhage and none of the blood leaked out would their body reabsorb the iron through their digestive system?
Submitted by Robbeee t3_115v009 in askscience
If a person had an internal hemorrhage and none of the blood leaked out would their body reabsorb the iron through their digestive system?
Blood is also a laxative so it tends to travel through the intestines quite quickly reducing the opportunity for absorption.
Do vampires have constant diarrhea? Would have made the twillight series a lot more interesting for sure.
They're not humans, so, no. Even though it would be quite funny that in every vampire media they'd be constantly going to the toilet. Would definitely make Buffy's job a bit easier.
Also, I always assumed the vampire teeth sucked the blood either directly into the bloodstream of the vampire, or into some special processing organ
>sucked the blood either directly into the bloodstream of the vampire
That seems evolutionarily suspect: blood-to-blood pathogens from ("near-"?)conspecifics sound like a huge threat compared to any foodborne pathogens that have to go through the digestive system.
Agreed, but i have yet to see a vampire vulernable to a disease or created via evolution, so...
But don’t bats have an extremely strong immune system?
If vampires are undead I would imagine that their absorption of blood might not involve actual digestion.
But I find the idea of vampires running to the loo every hour to be hilarious so that's now canon for me forever.
Is a Edward in the shitter again?
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What about ticks? Or vampire bats? Mosquito s?
That topic is a running gag in the books The Iron Druid. It does get revealed but pretty late in the series. Its also a really good read or listen.
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I'm DM'ing a VTm campaign.
Generally you can't eat food, your stomach doesn't work. You throw it up immediately. There is a "merit" you buy called "eat food" This allows you to hold food down until I more appropriate time to throw it up.
And even if you could quickly absorb lots of iron, it takes a long time to make more hemoglobin/red blood cells. (Also too much iron at once would be toxic, so it’s good that it’s not absorbed too well.)
Interesting. Thanks! Is there a reason why iron from iron tablets would be more readily absorbed or is it that only a certain percentage of any orally consumed iron is?
Iron absorption from tablets is actually quite poor. High dose iron supplementation just tends to cause more side effects (constipation, abdominal discomfort) without a significant improvement in iron levels and subsequent rise in haemoglobin levels.
Vitamin C helps improve absorption and the tannins in tea makes it worse. Generally taking Fe supplements with food is better than on an empty stomach.
Often with profound Fe deficiency giving the iron as an IV infusion is more effective at gaining a boost in Hb levels.
Me, a hospital pharmacist who spends his days checking Venofer bags (iron sucrose for laypeople): Meh, probably right
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Absorption is actually better 30 minutes to 2 hours before food, not with food. If patients cannot tolerate the GI side effects they can take it with minimal food. But especially not with caffeine, milk, high calcium foods, or anything high in fiber.
You absolutely want to take the pills with orange juice, something high in vitamin c.
And although absorption percentage is low, the high dose of the pills means I absolutely see positive effects in terms of correcting anemias that outweigh the side effects.
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And that is why we can't differenciate between taking Tardyferon and a GI bleed - the stool is black in euther case, and the tests for blood in stoll post a positive.
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Only a certain percentage can be absorbed daily. Iron tablets are to help out if your diet isn't particularly full of iron-rich foods or your body has a hard time deriving the iron from what you're eating.
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Also important to point out, that one of the common reasons people find out about gastric or bowel cancers is that they are anaemic. Iron deficiency anaemia is an urgent referral for endoscopy in the over 60s here in the UK, under the '2 week wait' cancer pathway.
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Yes! This is actually how you can pick up on chronic internal bleeding within the digestive tract (along with constitutional systems like black tarry stools/dark stools); it’s called anemia of chronic disease. You see this occur in your inflammatory bowel diseases. On routine labs you can see an anemia and it clues you into a long term inflammatory process if you can rule out diet deficiency or other hematological pathologies.
Should be noted that anemia of chronic disease is separate from chronic blood loss anemia, although IBD can cause both. Anemia of chronic disease is a result of chronic inflammation decreasing your body’s synthesis of RBCs, while blood loss anemia like that seen in chronic bleeding is a result of losing blood
That's why chronic disease is normocytic while with blood loss is microcytic. Unless with long term small bleeds the body adapts to eventually make them normal size too.
ACD often eventually becomes microcytic as well, as the inflammatory stuff eventually sequesters the iron until you get a relative iron deficiency
To add to this we can tell on lab tests if it's chronic or acute anemia through red cell morphology. A slower chronic condition genetally results in red cells smaller than average size with less hemoglobin (microscopic hypochromic) where in an acute bleed situation the cells are normal sized and filled properly, just not enough of them. We can also tell how hard the bone marrow is working to replace cells by the presence and number of nucleated or immature rbcs.
I know you didn't ask, but I don't get to nerd out about this stuff often and I find it fascinating.
Depending on the cause, chronic anemia can be normocytic or even macrocytic, it’s not always microcytic
Yup. For anatomy purposes the lumen of the digestive tract is external the body(debatable I am sure). It’s a bit confusing but kinda makes sense considering the anus and mouth both open to the external environment. If you think about it a step further you also have blood in an area where it cannot deliver oxygen and remove waste, rather it gets digested. At this point the blood is not doing it job and the person can be considered anemic because low Blood levels are based of serum concentration.
GI tract, yes, the blood will mostly leave your body. Other “internal” bleeding (say, subcutaneous hematoma from trauma to a blood vessel), you can become anemic but the iron is mostly reabsorbed, so you will not be iron deficient.
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Yes you would still have anemia, dependent upon the rate of the bleed. The lost blood won’t be oxygenated and returned to the tissues, the pump (heart) will have to speed up to try to compensate, and other organs such as the kidneys, the brain, etc., will suffer temporary or perhaps permanent damage from a lack of sufficient blood supply.
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SGBotsford t1_j93liee wrote
Yes. Not all the iron is reabsorbed. One of the marks of a bleeding ulcer, or injured gut is that your crap turns black from the extra blood. Indeed you can bleed to death from a stomach ulcer if it perforates into a vein.
But even if the leak is slow: The average blood cell lives about 6 weeks. Then it's broken down, the iron salvaged and rerouted to make more blood. So if you are bleeding at a rate faster than 1/6 of your blood per week, or aobut 2.5% per day, your body will fall behind.
It's never that easy. If the change is slow, your body can ramp up blood cell production some. So you might be able to keep up with 3% per day. But not likely 5%