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Animanialmanac t1_iyk4vb9 wrote

Can we recall council members? I thought initiative that didn’t make it to the ballot. We voters have to petition our own council representatives to recall Council President Mosby. The councilwoman for my area is Phylicia Porter, she voted for Mr. Mosby’s bill in the first round of voting and didn’t vote at all in the next round. From what I’m learning from neighborhood meetings Councilwoman Porter moved to this part of Baltimore only a year before the election, so she moved here to run for the office. I don’t think she would listen any petition from residents, especially not a petition to recall Mr. Mosby over a bill she voted for.

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buckeyebaby OP t1_iyk70yf wrote

According to this article, it would only take a petition signed by 20% of Baltimore city’s qualified voters to have him removed.

https://foxbaltimore.com/amp/news/city-in-crisis/after-pension-bill-vetoed-what-does-nick-mosbys-future-in-office-look-like

Of course the other city council members won’t do anything, that’s why I feel like it’s time for voters to put their foot down and send a message to all of our elected officials that if you’re blatantly participating in shady bull shit like Nick Mosby then you’ll be removed.

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Expendable_Red_Shirt t1_iyk8w3b wrote

> it would only take a petition signed by 20% of Baltimore city’s qualified voters to have him removed. > >

Only?????

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buckeyebaby OP t1_iyk9s2l wrote

I know that would be really hard but honestly, what redeeming qualities does Nick Mosby have? What would the argument be to keep him? I can’t wrap my mind around the idea that less than 20% of voters would agree that Mosby is bad for Baltimore and we don’t need two more years of bad. Maybe that’s just because I’m so fed up.

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Expendable_Red_Shirt t1_iyka3zn wrote

I honestly don't know. But also, how are you going to get that number of people to sign a petition? That's huge!

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buckeyebaby OP t1_iykb572 wrote

San Francisco recently managed to recall their DA and multiple school board members via petitions. It’s definitely possible but sadly it does feel like it would be pretty impossible in Baltimore.

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Expendable_Red_Shirt t1_iykbnxw wrote

There's a huge difference between SF and Baltimore.

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gaiusjuliusweezer t1_iykhddn wrote

What differences do you think are salient?

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Animanialmanac t1_iykil8l wrote

Baltimore has a strong no snitching, no speaking out culture. Petitions and surveys that require a name and address are concerning, at least in my area. I’d want to sign such a petition, I would be wary of potential consequences.

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No-Lunch4249 t1_iykmii7 wrote

Only 10% of registered voter signatures needed to recall a city official is a pretty huge difference from 20%

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buckeyebaby OP t1_iykwnu5 wrote

Yea but they also did that to like four people. I’m only thinking we recall the one person. So maybe it’s feasible.

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Animanialmanac t1_iyk9dcq wrote

I didn’t realize that initiative passed. 20% of the qualified voters is a very high number. I wonder if we could someone achieve this, that would take a large budget to reach that many voters.

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buckeyebaby OP t1_iykbrfk wrote

San Francisco managed to do it this year to multiple elected officials and it was a pretty grassroots movement. But it did require a lot of citizens running around the city working to collect signatures and I think it would be hard to find people willing to do that here.

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todareistobmore t1_iyl040p wrote

> it was a pretty grassroots movement

about that...

> In an interview with Chronicle reporters on Monday, Jenkins said she was paid $153,000 for her consulting work with the 501(c)(3) nonprofit Neighbors for a Better San Francisco. [...]

> The nonprofit is connected to the similarly named 501(c)(4) organization Neighbors for a Better San Francisco Advocacy, a political organization that spent millions on the effort to unseat Boudin in June. The two groups share the same address and a board member, William Oberndorf, a right-of-center San Francisco billionaire who helped bankroll the recall.

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buckeyebaby OP t1_iyl5qyr wrote

The signature petitions for the three school board members that got recalled were organized by parents in that district who were pissed. That’s the difference though, I don’t think most people in Baltimore even care. It just is what it is.

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DemonDeke t1_iykiebb wrote

I believe the CA signature thresholds are much lower though.

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No-Lunch4249 t1_iykmo32 wrote

Literally half as many signatures needed. 10% of registered voters v. 20% of whatever “qualified” voters means

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DemonDeke t1_iykn4j8 wrote

If you have a source, I'd welcome it. My recollection was that CA required a percentage of signatures that was based on voters in the previous election and a threshold below 20%, but that might be for statewide recalls.

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DiscountPoint t1_iylos2a wrote

I mean I’m in… We get 10-15 people together to hit the phones for a few weeks….

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nico_de_galloo t1_iym5r0s wrote

Hey - how about using an online petition site?

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buckeyebaby OP t1_iyml8sh wrote

I wonder if that’s allowed or if there’s no way to vet “qualified voters” on a petition site. I wonder what the requirements are to be a “qualified” voter.

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kelzbeano t1_iyku04c wrote

I’m no Mosby fan but Fox 45 is being completely unethical. Finance charter amendments. Push them on the news as if they’re being unbiased and now stoke the flames of recalls. I’m sure Sinclair will fund that petition, too.

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buckeyebaby OP t1_iykyljw wrote

The voters should be able to recall you if you’re not doing your job and you’re blatantly doing unethical shit. Nick Mosby tried to screw over the taxpayer and make it easier to qualify for cushy government pensions. He’s solicited donations via a gofundme for his wife’s mortgage fraud case and then lied and said he would return the funds, now he’s dragging out an ethics trial. He’s bad at his job and he’s not looking out for the interests of the voters so the voters should be able to fire him. Facts are facts even if they’re coming from Fox45.

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kelzbeano t1_iym7nvs wrote

I would have much preferred if the recall and term limit amendments was a grassroots campaign and not from corporate interests that use their media platform to constantly rile citizens up. Then go “see this is why we need these reforms.” Does Sinclair Broadcasting really care about Baltimore city or its own interests and biases?

Again, not a fan of Mosby but I didn’t care about the pension issue. With term limits, it seemed inevitable. They’re going to have to tackle the issue of future members not receiving a pension at some time.

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Bun_Bunz t1_iymhbx0 wrote

No, no they won't. They can do 8 years on city council and move into other places in the government to finish their 2 to get vested...or 22 more to retire. Fuck them. Serve the public for your pension, same as the rest of us.

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buckeyebaby OP t1_iymlodl wrote

Most of us don’t even have access to pensions. It’s a huge government benefit and they’re expensive to fund. Making a comprehensive plan concerning the pensions including a financial impact analysis would’ve been one thing, but to try to shove this through without even looking at the impact on the taxpayer shows that Nick isn’t even looking out for us anymore. And that’s the whole job.

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DemonDeke t1_iykio59 wrote

What % of qualified voters even voted in this year's election?

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buckeyebaby OP t1_iykv9dj wrote

The article I read says it’s in the Baltimore city charter. Porter sounds like someone who’s probably very happy with Mosbys idea to make it easier for her to qualify for a pension we all get to pay for.

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Cheomesh t1_iyngqcy wrote

Isn't this all about how term limits don't allow you to qualify for the pension anymore, or something like that?

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